How do creationists explain antibiotic resistant "super bugs"
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02-06-2015, 09:28 AM
RE: How do creationists explain antibiotic resistant "super bugs"
They explain it through "micro-evolution" or adaptation.

It's a bit of a dishonest tactic. They go on to say that an animal can change, but, at its core, the animal doesn't speciate and change what it is.

ex:
Finches adapt and change their beaks to accommodate the food they have available; however, they never change their "finchness". They are still a finch.

Animals don't speciate.

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Except, animals totally do... and it's been observed. Yep, "macro-evolution" has been observed. That just kind of gets ignored, though, and lumped into "adaptation".

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02-06-2015, 09:30 AM
How do creationists explain antibiotic resistant "super bugs"
(02-06-2015 09:28 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(02-06-2015 09:21 AM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  You seem unaware of the fact that Richard Dawkins has done a simple computerized model of evolution ... forty years ago. He writes about it in this book.

You mean the weasel program?

Perhaps you failed to recognize that this program was dependent on choosing a prespecified target sequence, it's entirely teleological. Requiring a programer to specify what the end target would be.

What do you think you could simulate in a computer? Why would the simulation make any difference when we have observations of what actually happened? What do you think the simulation would prove that genetics or the fossil record don't?

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02-06-2015, 09:32 AM
How do creationists explain antibiotic resistant "super bugs"
You're like a straw man factory

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02-06-2015, 09:39 AM
How do creationists explain antibiotic resistant "super bugs"
Think about what you're asking for. You want some sort of computer and/or software that doesn't require human input in order to simulate (in some way) evolution. Do you even realize how stupid that sounds?

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02-06-2015, 10:02 AM
RE: How do creationists explain antibiotic resistant "super bugs"
(02-06-2015 09:28 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(02-06-2015 09:21 AM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  You seem unaware of the fact that Richard Dawkins has done a simple computerized model of evolution ... forty years ago. He writes about it in this book.

You mean the weasel program?

Perhaps you failed to recognize that this program was dependent on choosing a prespecified target sequence, it's entirely teleological. Requiring a programer to specify what the end target would be.

It's still a work in progress, but we're coming along nicely with this gem:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolutionar...algorithms
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02-06-2015, 10:07 AM
RE: How do creationists explain antibiotic resistant "super bugs"
(02-06-2015 09:39 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  Think about what you're asking for. You want some sort of computer and/or software that doesn't require human input in order to simulate (in some way) evolution. Do you even realize how stupid that sounds?

I think what he's asking for is one that doesn't have a pre-determined end-point. Kind of like "wind it up, and let it go".
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02-06-2015, 10:14 AM
How do creationists explain antibiotic resistant "super bugs"
(02-06-2015 10:07 AM)Dusky Wrote:  
(02-06-2015 09:39 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  Think about what you're asking for. You want some sort of computer and/or software that doesn't require human input in order to simulate (in some way) evolution. Do you even realize how stupid that sounds?

I think what he's asking for is one that doesn't have a pre-determined end-point. Kind of like "wind it up, and let it go".

His objection to any simulation would end up being that humans produced the algorithm.

He wants some sort of human independent simulation of evolution. Like the fossil record...

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02-06-2015, 10:21 AM
RE: How do creationists explain antibiotic resistant "super bugs"
(02-06-2015 10:14 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  
(02-06-2015 10:07 AM)Dusky Wrote:  I think what he's asking for is one that doesn't have a pre-determined end-point. Kind of like "wind it up, and let it go".

His objection to any simulation would end up being that humans produced the algorithm.

He wants some sort of human independent simulation of evolution. Like the fossil record...

Never going to happen though, which is probably why he wants it. We will never be able to create a simulation comparable to nature in this regard without having a hand in it ourselves.

It's kind of like waiting for a second genesis to happen, and then waiting for all those billions of years for it to have a chance at producing somewhat intelligent life (if it even would at all), and then using that as his goalpost for proving evolution.

With standards like that, we wouldn't get anywhere.
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02-06-2015, 10:25 AM
How do creationists explain antibiotic resistant "super bugs"
(02-06-2015 10:21 AM)Dusky Wrote:  
(02-06-2015 10:14 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  His objection to any simulation would end up being that humans produced the algorithm.

He wants some sort of human independent simulation of evolution. Like the fossil record...

Never going to happen though, which is probably why he wants it. We will never be able to create a simulation comparable to nature in this regard without having a hand in it ourselves.

It's kind of like waiting for a second genesis to happen, and then waiting for all those billions of years for it to have a chance at producing somewhat intelligent life (if it even would at all), and then using that as his goalpost for proving evolution.

With standards like that, we wouldn't get anywhere.

And it's not necessary

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02-06-2015, 10:29 AM
RE: How do creationists explain antibiotic resistant "super bugs"
(02-06-2015 10:25 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  
(02-06-2015 10:21 AM)Dusky Wrote:  Never going to happen though, which is probably why he wants it. We will never be able to create a simulation comparable to nature in this regard without having a hand in it ourselves.

It's kind of like waiting for a second genesis to happen, and then waiting for all those billions of years for it to have a chance at producing somewhat intelligent life (if it even would at all), and then using that as his goalpost for proving evolution.

With standards like that, we wouldn't get anywhere.

And it's not necessary

For the reasonable, it certainly isn't. Unfortunately...
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