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01-06-2015, 10:26 AM
How do creationists explain antibiotic resistant "super bugs"
(01-06-2015 10:23 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(01-06-2015 10:09 AM)Chas Wrote:  Diversity is inevitable; what forms that will take is not.

It's inevitable given what? Random mutation? Are random mutation inevitable sure.

Are selection pressures inevitable? Are mutations responding in time to these selection pressures inevitable? Is it more inevitable that a particular form of life would die off when these pressures arise, or develop appropriate mutations in time to survive these pressures?

Are selection pressures inevitable? Yes. Even if only intraspecific (limiting resources).

Mutations don't respond to selection. Mutations result in diversified genes.

Your last question makes no sense whatsoever.

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01-06-2015, 10:27 AM
How do creationists explain antibiotic resistant "super bugs"
And when you talk about niches in the plural sense, each niche would have a different set of selection pressures and the interactions between those niches and the organisms in those niches result in selection pressures.

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01-06-2015, 10:46 AM
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(01-06-2015 10:01 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  Are selection pressures, that bacteria needing to develop feet, or a nose very probable?

Bacteria feet.

(01-06-2015 10:01 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  bacteria needing to develop feet

Bacteria feet.

(01-06-2015 10:01 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  bacteria needing to develop feet

Motherfucking BACTERIA FEET.

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01-06-2015, 10:49 AM
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(01-06-2015 10:46 AM)cjlr Wrote:  
(01-06-2015 10:01 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  Are selection pressures, that bacteria needing to develop feet, or a nose very probable?

Bacteria feet.

(01-06-2015 10:01 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  bacteria needing to develop feet

Bacteria feet.

(01-06-2015 10:01 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  bacteria needing to develop feet

Motherfucking BACTERIA FEET.

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Someone give this man a Golden Crocoduck award. He's earned it.

It is as ironic as a creationist BRAIN

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01-06-2015, 11:24 AM
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(01-06-2015 10:46 AM)cjlr Wrote:  Someone give this man a Golden Crocoduck award. He's earned it.

Thank you for the humble award.
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01-06-2015, 12:06 PM
How do creationists explain antibiotic resistant "super bugs"
Not sure how anyone with at least two working brain cells can't understand how micro-evolution and macro-evolution are related. For instance, one grain of sand is tiny and insignificant. But a few billion of them make a beach.

One tiny change may go unnoticed. But a lot of them make a difference.

Not sure why that's not obvious.
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01-06-2015, 12:11 PM
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(01-06-2015 10:46 AM)cjlr Wrote:  
(01-06-2015 10:01 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  Are selection pressures, that bacteria needing to develop feet, or a nose very probable?

Bacteria feet.

(01-06-2015 10:01 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  bacteria needing to develop feet

Bacteria feet.

(01-06-2015 10:01 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  bacteria needing to develop feet

Motherfucking BACTERIA FEET.

...

Someone give this man a Golden Crocoduck award. He's earned it.

I loled at that one, its almost sig worthy Tongue .

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01-06-2015, 12:44 PM (This post was last modified: 01-06-2015 12:47 PM by Thumpalumpacus.)
RE: How do creationists explain antibiotic resistant "super bugs"
(01-06-2015 10:01 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  Is there really any valid reason to believe that bacteria left on a planet for several billions years, will need to develop the sort of diversity of life found on our planet, for survival? Not, really. They'll likely be able to manage just fine as piles upon piles of bacteria and fungus.

Do you think this is our more probable finding here, or would we more likely find a diversity of creatures as we do on our own planet?

The unspoken assumption in your scenario is that the new planet's climate and topology would remain unchanged for billions of years. That doesn't strike me as terribly likely.

And because climate change is one form of selection pressure, the idea that the bacteria and fungi would remain that way doesn't seem likely. It took three billion years for multicellular life to evolve here on Earth, but even before then there were various unicellular life-forms; and once multicellular life started, it was only about 50 million years from that point to the point where the major taxonomic kingdoms came about.
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01-06-2015, 12:45 PM
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(01-06-2015 12:06 PM)Clockwork Wrote:  Not sure how anyone with at least two working brain cells can't understand how micro-evolution and macro-evolution are related. For instance, one grain of sand is tiny and insignificant. But a few billion of them make a beach.

One tiny change may go unnoticed. But a lot of them make a difference.

Not sure why that's not obvious.

Cognitive dissonance. It's surprisingly easy to reject things when you don't like their implications.

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01-06-2015, 01:01 PM
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(01-06-2015 12:45 PM)cjlr Wrote:  ...
Cognitive dissonance. It's surprisingly easy to reject things when you don't like their implications.

Or perhaps, cognitive cacophony?

'Dissonance' seems to underplay it sometimes.

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