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18-05-2011, 04:50 PM (This post was last modified: 28-06-2011 10:09 AM by Buddy Christ.)
How do creationists explain black people?
...or any person who isn't white?

Follow the lineage, there were 2 white people in the Garden of Eden... then they had lots of incestual sex and so did their children until 6,000 years later, we have the world as we see it... lots and lots of blacks, latinos, orientals, etc.

I know how blacks explain it...

[Image: black-jesus.jpg]


I just find it weird that no one questions ethnicity in religious circles. Probably because they would realize how obviously dependent their religion is on demographics. And why places like Iraq aren't a "mixed bag" of different religions.

Since the Bible was written in and around Egypt and its surrounding countries, I'm guessing that none of the Lord's followers or prophets or apostles were white. But try telling Sue-Ann Hucklebee from Bumslicke, Alabama or her maid Consuela Lopez that Jesus was a middle easterner and they'll throw their Bibles (or Biblias) at you.



I put this pic on facebook when it was posted on this site a while ago and I was verbally assaulted from a number of people. They went "they made him look like a normal guy" ...yeah, I don't know if THEY did anything.


[Recreation of what Jesus would've looked like based on where he lived]
[Image: 179842_10100394951480985_12425788_620414...9458_n.jpg]


Or maybe that since the Bible never specifically mentioned race, Adam and Eve were made of every ethnicity and every new child that popped out of them was different... and was then subsequently send off to specific parts of the world to live so that the children who looked like each other could live together. Genius!

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18-05-2011, 05:06 PM
RE: How do creationists explain black people?
Well In the bible for example, you can find the Curse of Ham, which in my opinion is just the justification for racism and slavery towards black people specifically.

Thanks btw, because you made me remeber about this one since I read the whole bible so many years ago when I was a believer.

Quote: The Curse of Ham (also called the curse of Canaan) refers to a story in the Book of Genesis 9:20-27 in which Ham's father Noah places a curse upon Ham's son Canaan, after Ham "saw the nakedness of his father," because of Noah's drunkenness in the tent, "and told his two brethren without".

Some Biblical scholars see the story as an early Hebrew rationalization for Israel's conquest and enslavement of the Canaanites, who were presumed to descend from Canaan.

The "curse of Ham" had been used by some members of Abrahamic religions to justify racism and the enslavement of people of Black African ancestry, who were believed to be descendants of Ham. They were often called Hamites and were believed to have descended through Canaan or his older brothers. Proponents of slavery in the United States increasingly invoked the "curse of Ham" in the US during the 19th century, as a response to the growing abolitionist movement.

Here is the Wikipedia Article for those who have doubts about the origin of black people within the judeo-christian belief sistem. Curse of Ham

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18-05-2011, 05:14 PM
 
RE: How do creationists explain black people?
(18-05-2011 04:50 PM)Buddy Christ Wrote:  ...or any person who isn't white?

Follow the lineage, there were 2 white people in the Garden of Eden... then they had lots of incestual sex and so did their children until 6,000 years later, we have the world as we see it... lots and lots of blacks, latinos, orientals, etc.

I know how blacks explain it...

[Image: black-jesus.jpg]


I just find it weird that no one questions ethnicity in religious circles. Probably because they would realize how obviously dependent their religion is on demographics. And why places like Iraq are a "mixed bag" of different religions.

Since the Bible was written in and around Egypt and its surrounding countries, I'm guessing that none of the Lord's followers or prophets or apostles were white. But try telling Sue-Ann Hucklebee from Bumslicke, Alabama or her maid Consuela Lopez that Jesus was a middle easterner and they'll throw their Bibles (or Biblias) at you.



I put this pic on facebook when it was posted on this site a while ago and I was verbally assaulted from a number of people. They went "they made him look like a normal guy" ...yeah, I don't know if THEY did anything.


[Recreation of what Jesus would've looked like based on where he lived]
[Image: 179842_10100394951480985_12425788_620414...9458_n.jpg]


Or maybe that since the Bible never specifically mentioned race, Adam and Eve were made of every ethnicity and every new child that popped out of them was different... and was then subsequently send off to specific parts of the world to live so that the children who looked like each other could live together. Genius!


I always found the Mormons had the most compelling argument for why there are dark people; It was a well deserved punishment from god.

http://mrm.org/white-and-delightsome
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18-05-2011, 06:03 PM (This post was last modified: 28-06-2011 10:10 AM by Buddy Christ.)
RE: How do creationists explain black people?
And Asians constitute more than half of the world's population. So assuming that Adam and Eve were white people (as self-centered, xenophobic american creationists do), then how did all these asians come to be more numerous than ol' Whitey who has been around since the very beginning? Did God and Brahma deploy their respective believers to different halves of the planet to see who would win out? And instead the two religions became intertwined and made Muslims? And the Muslims were so confused by their jumbled beliefs that they began suicide bombing everyone? Sorry, weed's kicking in.

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18-05-2011, 06:24 PM
 
RE: How do creationists explain black people?
I think it was the History channel that featured a program about finding Eden. They said it should have been somewhere in what would have been the area of Mesopotamia, given references in the Bible to the Tigress and Euphrates rivers that ran through it. Which one would think would mean Adam and Steve...I mean, Eve Tongue would have bore skin that was higher in melanin protein so as to be darker for the climate.

Then again, per just the Genesis account, (Both creation accounts spanning Chapter 1 & 2) , if man was made from the dust/soil/dirt of the earth wouldn't that mean he had to be colored? Colored tan, brown, something like unto a soil shade. And if Eve was made from his rib, she would have been the only white one. Which means they were race mixing from the start. Which, though it does cause white supremacists to implode just at the thought, it's a far less unpalatable image compared to the fact the entire human race was populated through inbreeding. Not once, but twice.

First as the offspring of Adam and Eve continually got frisky, and then secondly with the daughters and son's of Noah and his wife, after the whole world was drowned by god due to being too sinful. So that when it dried out the inbreeding resulted in more sinners born through inbreeding.

Oh hell, that's not fair. Now I just realized, it's not really an insult to say to a racist in Alabama; you might be a racist from Alabama if your mother and your sister are one and the same person! Instead, it's flippin Biblical!

Ok, all except for the Alabama part.
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18-05-2011, 08:52 PM
RE: How do creationists explain black people?
But.. but... Jesus looked like this
[Image: normal_muscle_jesus.jpg]

The reason there are different colored people is because they moved to different parts of the planet and due to different UV ray exposure their skin color changed to optimise vitamin D synthesis and folate storage.

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18-05-2011, 09:02 PM
RE: How do creationists explain black people?
(18-05-2011 08:52 PM)daemonowner Wrote:  The reason there are different colored people is because they moved to different parts of the planet and due to different UV ray exposure their skin color changed to optimise vitamin D synthesis and folate storage.

Yes, that is how a normal person explains it. But I want to know how creationists explain it. Even if that was their answer, besides the fact that all that would have to have happened within 6,000 years... that would mean that they accept evolution, but only for this one instance.

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18-05-2011, 09:28 PM
 
RE: How do creationists explain black people?
(18-05-2011 08:52 PM)daemonowner Wrote:  But.. but... Jesus looked like this
[Image: normal_muscle_jesus.jpg]
Wooo Hoooo! MusKles! I see the shroud of Turin is firmly in place, covering Mr.Winky. Remove that and I'll believe! Thy rod and thy staff, they comfort me. Tongue

Christ porn! Yeah, yeah I know. Bad Gassy! Bad, bad!

And that is how normal people would describe black people coming into being.
But I think we're forgetting Adam & Eve's offspring here. Cain and Able? Blacks are believed, by many in the Fundy/Creationist community to have been created as the result of the curse god applied to Cain after he murdered his brother Able. Genesis 4 says god placed a distinguishing mark, or sign, upon Cain.
Therefore, blacks weren't necessarily created in the beginning as were Adam and Eve. Rather, they were bore as the result of the sign that turned Cain into a cursed soul after violating the 6th commandment .

I say this often here however, I think these type questions are great for we atheists to kick around. However, those are answers from our perspective, as we project what Christians would answer. The best way to really know, is to join a Christian forum and ask.
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18-05-2011, 09:34 PM
RE: How do creationists explain black people?
This is honestly the first I've heard of the curse being the first black people. Now the Bible seems EVEN MORE bigoted. I didn't think that was possible. So women are the reason for mankind's sin and childbirth pain, and black people are simply white people who have been cursed for being dishonest.

I can almost picture the white, land owning, plantation farmer sitting in his rocking chair, watching his slaves going "That God is a mighty fine fellow, Christianity surely is the true religion."

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18-05-2011, 09:55 PM
 
RE: How do creationists explain black people?
(18-05-2011 09:34 PM)Buddy Christ Wrote:  This is honestly the first I've heard of the curse being the first black people. Now the Bible seems EVEN MORE bigoted. I didn't think that was possible. So women are the reason for mankind's sin and childbirth pain, and black people are simply white people who have been cursed for being dishonest.

Not for being dishonest, if we're going by the mark of Cain fable. For being the result of that what caused god to curse Cain, per Genesis 4.
Not to mention I've been spelling Abel's name wrong all this time. Tongue That's the mark of the curse of air head. Angel

Also, there is this as far as Adam's pigment being what it would have been, per the Bible, having been made from the dust of the earth.
"And The Lord God formed man from the dust of the ground and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life, and man became a living being." (Genesis 2:7). The Hebrew for man is pronounced aw-dawm, from which Adam is derived. It's also related to aw-dawm-ah, which means red earth, or red clay - indicating the natural earth elements that composed Adam's body, and the body of every human being since.
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Just to keep things in perspective as to pigment's. Adam wouldn't have been a white boy, having been created from the dust of the earth/ground. Eve on the other hand, being created from his rib, would have been pale since that would be the shade afforded bone from which she was derived.

I'm trying to think like a Fundy here. I'm getting really sleepy and my brain hurts.
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