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26-08-2017, 03:31 PM
RE: How do we feel about Antifa?
(26-08-2017 03:04 PM)TSG Wrote:  
(26-08-2017 02:48 PM)Old Man Marsh Wrote:  Zorro?

Superheroes don't count. Too fictional.

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26-08-2017, 03:40 PM
RE: How do we feel about Antifa?
It feels unnecessary. But is it?

But now I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth.

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26-08-2017, 03:45 PM
RE: How do we feel about Antifa?
Antifa are indeed a pretty good mirror of the Alt-Right. They are a collection of ideologies and groups who are of the Far-Left and aren't properly represented in politics. They exist mostly as a counter reactionnary movement that became well known during the Reagan and Tatcher era where the authoritarian Right came into power and undercut a lot of social progress started in the late 60's and early 70's. Today they are mostly rejuvenated by the rise of neoliberal economic policies and counter terrorism which gave new wings to the Far-Right. Thus, Antifa are to be expected in any protest against globalisation, austerity policies, wars, GMO's development, antifeminism, nationalism and police brutality. While not strictly violent or revolutionnary, the Antifa movement will support and tolerate the usage of violence during their protest and their general activities and consider it a legitimate form of civil disobediance. One needs to remember that Antifa draw their philosophy and ideology straight from blue colar Unions of the early 20th century, a time when violence against the authoritarian bourgeoisie was invevitable.

Antifa consider the use of violence as pertinent as they fight an inherently violent authoritarian power. They believe that the authoritarian elite of a nation and their supporter will never surrender their privileges without being at least threatened a little bit or shown that usage of force from their part (usually in a legalised manner since they are in control of the State apparatus) will be met with violent resistence. They will also violently counter protest any group that could enhance or support the violent authoritarian already in place. The largest problem of the Antifa movement in my opinion is to conflictualise in a binary fashion the political and social landscape. They block all attempt at neutrality, refuse compromise (even strategical ones) and lack all form of patience, organised plan and leadership (that last one may be a quality in some occasion). Their greatest quality is their high sensibility and forsight when it comes to civil liberties being threatenned as well as when racial and gender equity are ignored or weakenned.

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26-08-2017, 03:58 PM
RE: How do we feel about Antifa?
(26-08-2017 03:40 PM)evenheathen Wrote:  It feels unnecessary. But is it?

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26-08-2017, 03:58 PM
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26-08-2017, 04:00 PM
RE: How do we feel about Antifa?
(26-08-2017 03:45 PM)epronovost Wrote:  Antifa are indeed a pretty good mirror of the Alt-Right. They are a collection of ideologies and groups who are of the Far-Left and aren't properly represented in politics. They exist mostly as a counter reactionnary movement that became well known during the Reagan and Tatcher era where the authoritarian Right came into power and undercut a lot of social progress started in the late 60's and early 70's. Today they are mostly rejuvenated by the rise of neoliberal economic policies and counter terrorism which gave new wings to the Far-Right. Thus, Antifa are to be expected in any protest against globalisation, austerity policies, wars, GMO's development, antifeminism, nationalism and police brutality. While not strictly violent or revolutionnary, the Antifa movement will support and tolerate the usage of violence during their protest and their general activities and consider it a legitimate form of civil disobediance. One needs to remember that Antifa draw their philosophy and ideology straight from blue colar Unions of the early 20th century, a time when violence against the authoritarian bourgeoisie was invevitable.

Antifa consider the use of violence as pertinent as they fight an inherently violent authoritarian power. They believe that the authoritarian elite of a nation and their supporter will never surrender their privileges without being at least threatened a little bit or shown that usage of force from their part (usually in a legalised manner since they are in control of the State apparatus) will be met with violent resistence. They will also violently counter protest any group that could enhance or support the violent authoritarian already in place. The largest problem of the Antifa movement in my opinion is to conflictualise in a binary fashion the political and social landscape. They block all attempt at neutrality, refuse compromise (even strategical ones) and lack all form of patience, organised plan and leadership (that last one may be a quality in some occasion). Their greatest quality is their high sensibility and forsight when it comes to civil liberties being threatenned as well as when racial and gender equity are ignored or weakenned.


Agreed.

History has many incidents of "the people" rising in reaction against authoritarian rule. The French revolution being a prime example.

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26-08-2017, 04:03 PM
RE: How do we feel about Antifa?
(26-08-2017 04:00 PM)Banjo Wrote:  Agreed.

History has many incidents of "the people" rising in reaction against authoritarian rule. The French revolution being a prime example.
Of course, the French Revolution is also a prime example of how to wage a bloody revolution that leaves many dead and your country pretty much where you started.

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26-08-2017, 04:05 PM
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(26-08-2017 04:03 PM)TSG Wrote:  Of course, the French Revolution is also a prime example of how to wage a bloody revolution that leaves many dead and your country pretty much where you started.

Then let's remove it from our history books.

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26-08-2017, 04:07 PM
RE: How do we feel about Antifa?
(26-08-2017 04:05 PM)Banjo Wrote:  
(26-08-2017 04:03 PM)TSG Wrote:  Of course, the French Revolution is also a prime example of how to wage a bloody revolution that leaves many dead and your country pretty much where you started.

Then let's remove it from our history books.

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26-08-2017, 04:12 PM
RE: How do we feel about Antifa?
(26-08-2017 04:07 PM)TSG Wrote:  
(26-08-2017 04:05 PM)Banjo Wrote:  Then let's remove it from our history books.

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wut

Exactly.

Take some time. Wink

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