How do you tell if something is designed by an intellect or not?
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03-10-2014, 10:44 PM
RE: How do you tell if something is designed by an intellect or not?
(03-10-2014 10:40 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(03-10-2014 09:30 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  Yes it is kinda hard to find intellect at the Thinkingatheist.com

So you have no coherent answer. Drinking Beverage

He's a traditionalist like that.Drinking Beverage

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04-10-2014, 06:39 AM (This post was last modified: 04-10-2014 06:59 AM by Ace.)
RE: How do you tell if something is designed by an intellect or not?
(03-10-2014 10:09 PM)Stevil Wrote:  
(03-10-2014 08:04 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  Premise 2. Intellect is a thing.
Intellect is a conceptual view of certain specific underlying existent physical systems (things) e.g. brains.
HuhConsider
I thought intellect was just the result which arose from the brains being able perceive, learn, adapt to things around it
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04-10-2014, 08:10 AM
RE: How do you tell if something is designed by an intellect or not?
(03-10-2014 08:04 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(03-10-2014 04:26 PM)Chas Wrote:  Nope. Reality has no intellect, humans have intellects and other animals have intellects of lesser power.
There is no intellect lying around to be had, it is an emergent property of brains.

The differences in our views are that mine are based on evidence and yours on wishful thinking.

Your position is easily demolished. Consider the follow argument.

Premise 1. Reality is the set of all things(objects, properties, qualities, notions, etc) that are or have been.
Premise 2. Intellect is a thing.
Conclusion: Therefore intellect is a component of reality.

What premise do you disagree with? How does the conclusion not follow from the premises?

Your syllogism is idiotic.
Premise 1 is false.
Properties, notions qualities are concepts, not "things".
thing
THiNG/
noun
noun: thing; plural noun: things; noun: the thing; noun: one's thing; plural noun: one's things

1.
an object that one need not, cannot, or does not wish to give a specific name to.
"look at that metal rail thing over there"
synonyms: object, article, item, artifact, commodity; More
device, gadget, instrument, utensil, tool, implement;
entity, body;
informalwhatsit, whatchamacallit;
thingummy, thingy, thingamabob, thingamajig, doohickey, doodad, dingus
"the room was full of strange things"
personal belongings or clothing.
"she began to unpack her things"
synonyms: belongings, possessions, stuff, property, worldly goods, effects, personal effects, trappings, paraphernalia, bits and pieces, luggage, baggage, bags; More
informalgear, junk;
goods and chattels
"I'll come back tomorrow to collect my things"
objects, equipment, or utensils used for a particular purpose.
"they cleared away the last few lunch things"
synonyms: equipment, apparatus, gear, kit, tackle, stuff; More
implements, tools, utensils;
accoutrements
"his gardening things"
anything (used for emphasis).
noun: a thing
"she couldn't find a thing to wear"
used to express one's disapproval or contempt for something.
"you won't find me smoking those filthy things"
all that can be described in the specified way.
"his love for all things Italian"
used euphemistically to refer to a man's penis.
2.
an inanimate material object as distinct from a living sentient being.
"I'm not a thing, not a work of art to be cherished"


No wonder you are so fucking retarded.
You don't even have access to a dictionary.

BTW, people, ....
I lost my intellect.

I think I left it at school yesterday.
If anyone sees it, please let me know.

Insufferable know-it-all.Einstein God has a plan for us. Please stop screwing it up with your prayers.
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04-10-2014, 08:53 AM (This post was last modified: 04-10-2014 09:19 AM by Hafnof.)
RE: How do you tell if something is designed by an intellect or not?
Now you're pretending not to know the difference between a thing and what a thing does? You're pretending not to know the difference a system and its function? Just which mind parasite have you given your intellectual independence over to these days Heywood?

Give me your argument in the form of a published paper, and then we can start to talk.
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04-10-2014, 08:59 AM
RE: How do you tell if something is designed by an intellect or not?
Easy enough to answer. If it has no other plausible explanation for its existence it was probably designed by an intellect. If it is in an un changing state like a watch it was probably designed.
Now you might say that life has no plausible explanation other than design and that its unchanging. If that is indeed your stance you are an idiot. You are too stupid to live and I'm astounded that you've made it this far.
There are other books to read by the way. I can think of quite a few that don't have talking donkeys and guys walking on water. Try reading some of them. Smile
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04-10-2014, 09:31 AM
RE: How do you tell if something is designed by an intellect or not?
(03-10-2014 10:40 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(03-10-2014 09:30 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  Yes it is kinda hard to find intellect at the Thinkingatheist.com

So you have no coherent answer. Drinking Beverage

The question is silly....so I gave a silly answer.

Where are the fish? They are in the fish tank. Where is the intellect? Its in reality.
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04-10-2014, 09:33 AM
RE: How do you tell if something is designed by an intellect or not?
(04-10-2014 06:39 AM)Ace Wrote:  
(03-10-2014 10:09 PM)Stevil Wrote:  Intellect is a conceptual view of certain specific underlying existent physical systems (things) e.g. brains.
HuhConsider
I thought intellect was just the result which arose from the brains being able perceive, learn, adapt to things around it

Intellect is an ability(or thing) possessed by components of reality.
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04-10-2014, 09:39 AM
RE: How do you tell if something is designed by an intellect or not?
(04-10-2014 08:59 AM)Drunkin Druid Wrote:  Easy enough to answer. If it has no other plausible explanation for its existence it was probably designed by an intellect. If it is in an un changing state like a watch it was probably designed.

Dark matter has no plausible explanation for its existence. Does that mean it is designed? The speed of light in a vacuum is unchanging....does that mean that property of light was designed?

Your criteria for determining what is designed and what is un-designed isn't useful. The only useful criteria for determining designed and un-designed is previous experience. If in our experience all watches are designed...then we can safely say that a watch we come across...whose origins are unknown to us....is the product of design.
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04-10-2014, 09:57 AM
RE: How do you tell if something is designed by an intellect or not?
There's no plausible explanation for dark matter YET....
Making the god of the gaps argument? That's pretty old. Try harder....
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04-10-2014, 10:04 AM
RE: How do you tell if something is designed by an intellect or not?
(04-10-2014 09:57 AM)Drunkin Druid Wrote:  There's no plausible explanation for dark matter YET....
Making the god of the gaps argument? That's pretty old. Try harder....

Yes, but if we adopt your criteria for determining designed from un-designed we should veiw dark matter as something that is designed....at least until circumstances change.

Experience is a much better criteria.
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