How do you tell if something is designed by an intellect or not?
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04-10-2014, 03:27 PM
RE: How do you tell if something is designed by an intellect or not?
(04-10-2014 03:17 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(04-10-2014 03:10 PM)xieulong Wrote:  Watson is just simply good at what it was programmed to do. It's not an intellect.

Watson was good at Jeopardy, but now Watson is diagnosing diseases and recommending treatments. How did Watson shift from being Jeopardy Champ to health care provider? They gave it different books to read.

Watson is a computer program....but not like any computer program that came before it. Its a game changer.

You just answered your own question. They gave it a new book to read. They gave it a medical database and gave it formulas to process said database. It's is still doing what people programmed it to do. How is it an intellect?
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04-10-2014, 03:27 PM
RE: How do you tell if something is designed by an intellect or not?
(04-10-2014 03:17 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(04-10-2014 03:10 PM)xieulong Wrote:  Watson is just simply good at what it was programmed to do. It's not an intellect.

Watson was good at Jeopardy, but now Watson is diagnosing diseases and recommending treatments. How did Watson shift from being Jeopardy Champ to health care provider? They gave it different books to read.

Watson is a computer program....but not like any computer program that came before it. Its a game changer.

Watson is a combination of software and hardware.

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04-10-2014, 05:37 PM
RE: How do you tell if something is designed by an intellect or not?
(04-10-2014 03:12 PM)BanalityOfEvil Wrote:  
(04-10-2014 03:09 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  Evolution simulators are seeded with a designed digital life form and then left to see what evolution does with it. I don't think you can design an evolution simulator that is just a physics engine.
That's pretty much what some bioinformaticists do. They create chemistry simulators. Admittedly they start based on existing life, but it's pretty close to what you're talking about.

The requirement of intellects to create a seed life form in an evolution simulator is another observation that contributes to our experience we can use to distinguish designed from un-designed. It too suggests that for life to come into existence and start evolving it has to first be created by an intellect.
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04-10-2014, 05:41 PM
RE: How do you tell if something is designed by an intellect or not?
(04-10-2014 03:27 PM)xieulong Wrote:  
(04-10-2014 03:17 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  Watson was good at Jeopardy, but now Watson is diagnosing diseases and recommending treatments. How did Watson shift from being Jeopardy Champ to health care provider? They gave it different books to read.

Watson is a computer program....but not like any computer program that came before it. Its a game changer.

You just answered your own question. They gave it a new book to read. They gave it a medical database and gave it formulas to process said database. It's is still doing what people programmed it to do. How is it an intellect?

Its an intellect because it satisfies the definition of an intellect. An intellect has the faculty to reason and understanding objectively, especially with regard to abstract or academic matters. It could not win at Jeopardy without this faculty.
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04-10-2014, 06:06 PM
RE: How do you tell if something is designed by an intellect or not?
(04-10-2014 05:41 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(04-10-2014 03:27 PM)xieulong Wrote:  You just answered your own question. They gave it a new book to read. They gave it a medical database and gave it formulas to process said database. It's is still doing what people programmed it to do. How is it an intellect?

Its an intellect because it satisfies the definition of an intellect. An intellect has the faculty to reason and understanding objectively, especially with regard to abstract or academic matters. It could not win at Jeopardy without this faculty.

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04-10-2014, 06:13 PM
RE: How do you tell if something is designed by an intellect or not?
(04-10-2014 05:37 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(04-10-2014 03:12 PM)BanalityOfEvil Wrote:  That's pretty much what some bioinformaticists do. They create chemistry simulators. Admittedly they start based on existing life, but it's pretty close to what you're talking about.

The requirement of intellects to create a seed life form in an evolution simulator is another observation that contributes to our experience we can use to distinguish designed from un-designed. It too suggests that for life to come into existence and start evolving it has to first be created by an intellect.

Not that silly argument again. A simulator is not the real thing. Your conclusion is nonsense.

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04-10-2014, 06:16 PM
RE: How do you tell if something is designed by an intellect or not?
(04-10-2014 05:41 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(04-10-2014 03:27 PM)xieulong Wrote:  You just answered your own question. They gave it a new book to read. They gave it a medical database and gave it formulas to process said database. It's is still doing what people programmed it to do. How is it an intellect?

Its an intellect because it satisfies the definition of an intellect. An intellect has the faculty to reason and understanding objectively, especially with regard to abstract or academic matters. It could not win at Jeopardy without this faculty.

No one in the AI community would agree with you.

There was no understanding - there were algorithms for language parsing and data searching.

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04-10-2014, 07:29 PM
RE: How do you tell if something is designed by an intellect or not?
Watson balances a word equation.
It does not think. It only reacts to information and searches data bases for other relevant information.
It displays that gathered information in the way it is programmed to.

It does all of this very quickly
If it took Watson a month to answer one question, would it still be remarkable? It's performing the same task and giving the exact same answer and yet taking a month to do it seems less impressive

Watson gives the illusion of a mind because it gathers and processes subtle information in the form of language cues that humans can process in mere seconds.

The mimicry of solving an equation, of solving what is being asked and what answers best represent a balance to that question is not intellect.

It's just good programming

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04-10-2014, 08:44 PM
RE: How do you tell if something is designed by an intellect or not?
(04-10-2014 02:25 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  
(04-10-2014 01:29 PM)WhiskeyDebates Wrote:  Been that way since what? Page 3.Drinking Beverage The fool just making a basic God of the Gaps argument based on deliberately misrepresented finding and presuppositional thinking with a nice dash of disingenuous bullshit for flavor. It's fucking tedious, because he thinks it's this big complex intelligent argument when it's so full of holes (which he refuses to address), assertions, failures in reason, and wishful thinking.
Fucking tedious.

He keeps pushing the argument along to new areas and new assertions which is hilarious because his whole basis for the OP's conclusion has already be dismantled. It's a childish distraction.


This is, more or less, the only argument he has ever pushed. He starts with the conclusion he wants (His God done it) and works his way backwards from there. You can tell when he runs out of ideas because he then just jumps straight to word games that amount to nothing.
Exactly. If he did not already believe god created everything this scientific finding would have been as innocuous to him as it is to most people because the findings in no way lead to a world creating intelligence unless you already bloody well believe that.

He has a conclusion and is working backwards, distorting any evidence he has to to maintain his silly little delusion. He is leading the evidence instead of letting the evidence lead him. It's fucking childish and tedious.

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04-10-2014, 08:52 PM
RE: How do you tell if something is designed by an intellect or not?
(04-10-2014 02:28 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(04-10-2014 01:33 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  Biological brains are something that evolve. I am not suggesting in this thread that they are designed. I am arguing that we have good reason to believe that the first living things of a lineage of life are designed because in our experience we only observe these things coming into existence via the hand of intellect.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sampling_error
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You have a fucking sample size of 1. One.
And the one you have does not meet anyone's definition of what you are claiming it is.

Ya his sample size being one was pointed out to him a while ago. Didn't dent his delusions at all.

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