How do you tell if something is designed by an intellect or not?
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27-09-2014, 10:01 AM
RE: How do you tell if something is designed by an intellect or not?
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You can tell by the existence of animals like this.

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27-09-2014, 10:16 AM
RE: How do you tell if something is designed by an intellect or not?
(27-09-2014 09:31 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(27-09-2014 08:07 AM)Chas Wrote:  Your grasp of logic is abominable. We have direct experience of one way that it comes into existence. That says absolutely nothing about other ways.

Your error of logic is taking an existential quantifier and making it a universal quantifier.

Rookie error.

And they didn't actually create any life. So, there's that.

So if you see a watch and you don't know how it came into existence, do you automatically believe it occurred naturally? No you do not....because in your experience watches are always the product of intelligent design.

Our lineage of life is that watch whose circumstance of origination is unknown to us. If our experience suggest that lineages of life only originate as a product of intellect, then we have very good reason to believe that our lineage of life is the product of an intellect.

Theist have good reason to believe our lineage of life is the product of intellect. Atheist have no good reason to believe our lineage of life naturally occurred.

Nope.
We know of no way the watch could have assembled itself.
We have perfectly natural and well understood processes by which life started.

Your problem, is that you are simply ignorant, and don't know what they are.
So, there's that.

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27-09-2014, 10:29 AM
RE: How do you tell if something is designed by an intellect or not?
(27-09-2014 09:54 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(27-09-2014 08:49 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  Silicone is not an element......dummy. Silicone is a synthetic compound used in the manufacture of your sex toys.

That's what I thought. Blowjob doesn't even know Grade School chemistry.
http://sciencenotes.org/printable-period...ictablebw/

Take out your high resolution spectacles, old troll, and look at the periodic table.
Right there (over on the right, under carbon).
Now tell teacher what you see.

fucking idiot

Silicone is a compound......Silicon is the element.

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27-09-2014, 10:35 AM
RE: How do you tell if something is designed by an intellect or not?
(27-09-2014 10:29 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  Whose a fucking idiot?.......Whose a fucking idiot......Bucky's a fucking idiot!

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27-09-2014, 10:36 AM
RE: How do you tell if something is designed by an intellect or not?
(27-09-2014 09:59 AM)Shadow Fox Wrote:  If we were intelligently designed, then the intelligent designer would had designed us to be perfect. Which means that no amount of reproduction could leave room for any mistakes what so ever. Original sin or NOT.

I have a genetic disorder, If I was an intelligent design, my designs would be so perfect that that could never possibly happen under Any circumstances. If it did then it would mean that I am not perfect and my designs are faulty.

It would also mean that Pseudo genes could not exist in which they do and vestigial organs could never exist. Which they do!

There is nothing in nature what so ever that shows even the slightest need for a designer that the most basic knowledge of evolution cannot make a far more complex and compelling and logical and formed to how reality actually works...answer to where we come from.

Just because something is intelligently designed does not make it perfect. Chevy's are intelligently designed yet the were designed with a faulty ignition switch. Thousands have been recalled....perhaps you heard of it.

At best you could argue that our intelligent designer is not an O3 God because of the mistakes you listed....that argument is flawed but I won't go into why in this thread since it is irrelevant to the argument I am making.
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27-09-2014, 10:37 AM
RE: How do you tell if something is designed by an intellect or not?
(27-09-2014 10:35 AM)One Above All Wrote:  
(27-09-2014 10:29 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  Whose a fucking idiot?.......Whose a fucking idiot......Bucky's a fucking idiot!

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Touche'.....but at least I know what silicone isDodgy
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27-09-2014, 10:37 AM
RE: How do you tell if something is designed by an intellect or not?
(27-09-2014 09:44 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(27-09-2014 09:27 AM)evenheathen Wrote:  Everything occurs naturally. An intellect designed by a naturally occurring intellect is still occurring naturally. Nowhere does the need for the supernatural occur.

By "occurred naturally" I mean occurring without the involvement of an intellect. You may not like my choice of words and feel they are inaccurate, but that is what I mean.

Fair enough. Still not seeing any need for the supernatural. Evolution is remarkably well understood, you seem to have trouble with the scope of what it takes for these natural processes to happen. That's not our problem, it's yours.

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27-09-2014, 10:40 AM
RE: How do you tell if something is designed by an intellect or not?
(27-09-2014 10:37 AM)evenheathen Wrote:  
(27-09-2014 09:44 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  By "occurred naturally" I mean occurring without the involvement of an intellect. You may not like my choice of words and feel they are inaccurate, but that is what I mean.

Fair enough. Still not seeing any need for the supernatural. Evolution is remarkably well understood, you seem to have trouble with the scope of what it takes for these natural processes to happen. That's not our problem, it's yours.

Evolution is one thing and the inception of a lineage of life which then goes on to evolve is another. You are conflating the two....my argument has nothing to do with evolution.
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27-09-2014, 10:40 AM
RE: How do you tell if something is designed by an intellect or not?
(27-09-2014 10:29 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(27-09-2014 09:54 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  That's what I thought. Blowjob doesn't even know Grade School chemistry.
http://sciencenotes.org/printable-period...ictablebw/

Take out your high resolution spectacles, old troll, and look at the periodic table.
Right there (over on the right, under carbon).
Now tell teacher what you see.

fucking idiot

Silicone is a compound......Silicon is the element.

Whose a fucking idiot?.......Whose a fucking idiot......Bucky's a fucking idiot!

Yes. I am a fucking idiot. My ARGUMENT, however is sound, and yours has been demonstrated to be crap.

And this refutes my points EXACTLY how ? Silicon (or whatever) AS AN ELEMENT is not found as a base of life. Your evasion is astounding, and perfectly obvious to all who read your bullshit, you fucking troll.

Yes I made a mistake.
No.
My arguments are sound and blowjob is an ignorant fool, and is thought to be so by this entire community, as demonstrated clearly by his reputation.

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27-09-2014, 10:42 AM
RE: How do you tell if something is designed by an intellect or not?
If they sell it at Wal-Mart it was designed by an intellectually challenged intellect
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