How do you tell if something is designed by an intellect or not?
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27-09-2014, 11:25 AM
RE: How do you tell if something is designed by an intellect or not?
(27-09-2014 11:15 AM)WhiskeyDebates Wrote:  
(27-09-2014 10:51 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  Suppose our good friends at SETI detect a signal from space that undoubtedly comes from an alien civilization. I would wager that life on that planet is carbon based. Why? because given my experience, all life is carbon based. So I can conclude that life is probably carbon based.

My neighborhood has a KFC, therefor all neighborhoods likely have a KFC. You can't conclude any kind of probability when your sample size is 1. One planet.

Also no one is interested in you intellectually vapid "what if" word games. The hallmark of design is simplicity NOT complexity which is what we have.

But welcome back I guess.

In this case a sample size of one would be sufficient to shift the burden of proof on Bucky. Why? Because Bucky's claim has yet to be demonstrated to be possible where as nobody can deny my claim is possible because we already have one example of it.
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27-09-2014, 11:27 AM (This post was last modified: 27-09-2014 11:35 AM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: How do you tell if something is designed by an intellect or not?
(27-09-2014 11:25 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  In this case a sample size of one would be sufficient to shift the burden of proof on Bucky. Why? Because Bucky's claim has yet to be demonstrated to be possible where as nobody can deny my claim is possible because we already have one example of it.

It has been demonstrated in the lab, and you have not refuted one thing in Szostack's videos.
I make no claim. I simply said IF a god can make life ONLY from carbon, (from which we know life can arise), it's no god. ID is an argument AGAINST the gods.
You have tried to make an argument and provided not a shred of evidence to support it
Try harder, Blowjob.

And BTW, what "claim" exactly are you saying your one example supports ? Certainly you're not saying that carbon-based life on this planet can be said to be "intelligently designed", UNLESS, you mean that by all the mutations and suffering that INDIVIDUAL humans and children SUFFER are unimportant as the species is propagated by this (supposedly) "intelligence". The only way to make THAT claim, is to discount individuals, and affirm species. (I didn't know you had no respect for individual life, and still claim to be a religionist). Consider

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27-09-2014, 11:28 AM
RE: How do you tell if something is designed by an intellect or not?
(27-09-2014 10:40 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(27-09-2014 10:29 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  Silicone is a compound......Silicon is the element.

Whose a fucking idiot?.......Whose a fucking idiot......Bucky's a fucking idiot!

Yes. I am a fucking idiot. My ARGUMENT, however is sound, and yours has been demonstrated to be crap.

And this refutes my points EXACTLY how ? Silicon (or whatever) AS AN ELEMENT is not found as a base of life. Your evasion is astounding, and perfectly obvious to all who read your bullshit, you fucking troll.

Yes I made a mistake.
No.
My arguments are sound and blowjob is an ignorant fool, and is thought to be so by this entire community, as demonstrated clearly by his reputation.

Bucky, you're not an idiot.
So
There's that.
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27-09-2014, 11:41 AM
RE: How do you tell if something is designed by an intellect or not?
(27-09-2014 11:28 AM)WitchSabrina Wrote:  
(27-09-2014 10:40 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Yes. I am a fucking idiot. My ARGUMENT, however is sound, and yours has been demonstrated to be crap.

And this refutes my points EXACTLY how ? Silicon (or whatever) AS AN ELEMENT is not found as a base of life. Your evasion is astounding, and perfectly obvious to all who read your bullshit, you fucking troll.

Yes I made a mistake.
No.
My arguments are sound and blowjob is an ignorant fool, and is thought to be so by this entire community, as demonstrated clearly by his reputation.

Bucky, you're not an idiot.
So
There's that.
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Sorry Sabrina....Bucky is an idiot. He believes abiogenesis has been demonstrated in the lab.....it hasn't.
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27-09-2014, 11:42 AM
RE: How do you tell if something is designed by an intellect or not?
(27-09-2014 07:08 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  ID is an argument from ignorance.

ID stands for Increasingly Desperate Yes

I'll quote Penn Jillette :
"so the creationists use a phrase that sounds at least to their desperate deluded ears less religious and more scientific"

they failed at making religion look like science and now they want to make educational syllabus's to be decided by personal beliefs
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27-09-2014, 12:03 PM
RE: How do you tell if something is designed by an intellect or not?
(27-09-2014 11:25 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(27-09-2014 11:15 AM)WhiskeyDebates Wrote:  My neighborhood has a KFC, therefor all neighborhoods likely have a KFC. You can't conclude any kind of probability when your sample size is 1. One planet.

Also no one is interested in you intellectually vapid "what if" word games. The hallmark of design is simplicity NOT complexity which is what we have.

But welcome back I guess.

In this case a sample size of one would be sufficient to shift the burden of proof on Bucky. Why? Because Bucky's claim has yet to be demonstrated to be possible where as nobody can deny my claim is possible because we already have one example of it.
Oh no you don't you evasive troglodyte you didn't say it was possible you said it was probable and I'm saying you can't do that because probability can't be determined with a sample size of one. You don't get to change your wording mid stride. Your claim, like most of your claims, is false and astoundingly so.

What testable and falsifiable evidence, not word games but evidence, do you have that human beings are designed by an intelligence? Right now your argument reeks of "God of the Gaps", which is so pedestrian an argument its undignified for a Sunday school class.

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27-09-2014, 12:06 PM
RE: How do you tell if something is designed by an intellect or not?
(27-09-2014 10:40 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  Evolution is one thing and the inception of a lineage of life which then goes on to evolve is another. You are conflating the two....my argument has nothing to do with evolution.

I fail to see the conflation. Actually, the phrase "inception of a lineage of life" is not making any sense to me. Could you provide an instance where this has happened?

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27-09-2014, 12:11 PM
RE: How do you tell if something is designed by an intellect or not?
can someone tell me if these have any potential to enlighten the OP ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller%E2%8...experiment
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_descent
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_bottleneck
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_divergence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxonomy_%28biology%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_variation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heredity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norms_of_reaction
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_diversity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_genetics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutagenesis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_recombination
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_reproduction
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_flow
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_selection
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_drift
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_hitchhiking
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27-09-2014, 12:20 PM (This post was last modified: 27-09-2014 12:27 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: How do you tell if something is designed by an intellect or not?
(27-09-2014 11:41 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  
(27-09-2014 11:28 AM)WitchSabrina Wrote:  Bucky, you're not an idiot.
So
There's that.
Smile

Sorry Sabrina....Bucky is an idiot. He believes abiogenesis has been demonstrated in the lab.....it hasn't.


More evasion.
More beside the point crap. NOTHING demonstrating the validity of ID.
No points answered by the Blowjob troll.

This thread is NOT about abiogenesis, (and yes, they are closing in on creating life in the lab, but he didn't bother watching the vids).
http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn25...Cb_ShYmUWs

And even IF they weren't, the OP has in no way been supported.
Mr. -37 can call me an idiot from now till his Jebus returns to fuck him in the ass. I could care less.
ID is an argument against his god. IF his god were omnipotent, it could make life happen no matter the condit
He has demonstrated nothing to support his OP, and is unable to.

People who *NEED* their faith supported by these weak arguments, forget what their Jebus done 'tole them :
" 'A wicked and adulterous generation looks for a sign, but none will be given it except the sign of Jonah' Jesus then left them and went away."
They seem to have never read their own Babble. (Matthew 16:4) Tongue

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27-09-2014, 12:23 PM
RE: How do you tell if something is designed by an intellect or not?
Blowme is Chippy right?

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