How do you tell if something is designed by an intellect or not?
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27-09-2014, 12:29 PM
RE: How do you tell if something is designed by an intellect or not?
(27-09-2014 12:23 PM)WitchSabrina Wrote:  Blowme is Chippy right?

No. Chippy had a brain.

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27-09-2014, 12:39 PM
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27-09-2014, 12:57 PM
RE: How do you tell if something is designed by an intellect or not?
(27-09-2014 06:04 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  We have observed lineages of life coming into existence via intelligent design. Craig Venter's creation of Mycoplasma Laboratorium is one such example.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mycoplasma_laboratorium

You conveniently overlooked this part of the article:

Quote:Scientists who were not involved in the study caution that it is not a truly synthetic life form because its genome was put into an existing cell.

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27-09-2014, 12:58 PM
RE: How do you tell if something is designed by an intellect or not?
(27-09-2014 06:04 AM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  The question is pretty straight forward.....and so is the answer. The way we tell if something is designed or not designed is by experience. If we find a watch we know an intellect designed that watch because in our experience, all watches are designed by intellects.

Were we to come across something completely new to us we couldn't really know if that novelty was designed or un-designed until we had some familiarity with how those things come into being. Suppose a Neanderthal came across a watch that was covertly placed into his world. Having no prior experience of metals or machines, the Neanderthal would have no basis what so ever to conclude the watch was designed by an intellect or emerged naturally. He'd simply be "in the dark" about the details of how watches come into being.

With this understanding of how we differentiate designed from un-designed....let us apply it to life. How does life come into existence? Now I am not talking about particular living things coming into existence. We have a lot of experience with living things coming into existence naturally...without the intervention or aid of an intellect. I am talking about emergence of a lineage of life itself. We've never observed lineages of life coming into existence via some natural process or without the intervention of an intellect.

We have observed lineages of life coming into existence via intelligent design. Craig Venter's creation of Mycoplasma Laboratorium is one such example.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mycoplasma_laboratorium

Now given that we have no experience with lineages of life coming into existence naturally, and quite soon to be plenty of experience of lineages of life coming into existence with the aid of and designed by intellects, what basis do atheists have to conclude our lineages of life came into being naturally? You really have none. On the other hand, theists now have a very strong reason to believe lineages of life are the products of intellects. That strong reason being the experience of intellects designing and creating lineages of life.

Easy. If it's man made then it was designed by an intellect and if it is natural it wasn't.

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27-09-2014, 01:05 PM
RE: How do you tell if something is designed by an intellect or not?
(27-09-2014 10:01 AM)yakherder Wrote:  [Image: JoyrTOjJTx7YVIdxfg9EW2YoKXPMjdJH2kgfwtri...80-h320-nc]
You can tell by the existence of animals like this.

you forgot this, the okapi or as Penn out it, the "striped giraffy thingy"

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27-09-2014, 01:34 PM
RE: How do you tell if something is designed by an intellect or not?
(27-09-2014 12:11 PM)Ace Wrote:  can someone tell me if these have any potential to enlighten the OP ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller%E2%8...experiment
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_descent
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_bottleneck
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_divergence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxonomy_%28biology%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_variation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heredity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norms_of_reaction
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_diversity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_genetics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutagenesis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_recombination
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_reproduction
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_flow
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_selection
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_drift
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_hitchhiking

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27-09-2014, 02:02 PM
RE: How do you tell if something is designed by an intellect or not?
(27-09-2014 01:34 PM)Anjele Wrote:  
(27-09-2014 12:11 PM)Ace Wrote:  can someone tell me if these have any potential to enlighten the OP ?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Miller%E2%8...experiment
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Evolution
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Common_descent
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Abiogenesis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_bottleneck
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_divergence
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Taxonomy_%28biology%29
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_variation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Heredity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Norms_of_reaction
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_diversity
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Population_genetics
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Speciation
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mutagenesis
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_recombination
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sexual_reproduction
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gene_flow
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Natural_selection
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_drift
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Genetic_hitchhiking

Based on past experience with Blowme - nope - not a chance in hell.

I wonder if the invitation to the troll dinner is what brought him back ?

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27-09-2014, 02:04 PM
RE: How do you tell if something is designed by an intellect or not?
(27-09-2014 02:02 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(27-09-2014 01:34 PM)Anjele Wrote:  Based on past experience with Blowme - nope - not a chance in hell.

I wonder if the invitation to the troll dinner is what brought him back ?

He's only back because no one else will put up with him. He has scoured the web for a home and he ended up back here. Almost brings a tear to my eye. Sadcryface2

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27-09-2014, 03:23 PM
RE: How do you tell if something is designed by an intellect or not?
In the initial stages of the formation of elements in this universe, all you have is nature. There are no intellects in existence.

After billions of years or less, natural processes yield self aware intelligent beings that are also aware of the universe as whole.

Bullshit and lies are products of intellects.
Nature tells the truth.

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27-09-2014, 03:45 PM
RE: How do you tell if something is designed by an intellect or not?
Blowme's back?

He was one of the people I had on ignore....


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And without so much as a mere touch, cut me into little pieces

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