How easily do believers get offended?
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09-07-2010, 05:37 PM
How easily do believers get offended?
http://www.newpolandexpress.pl/polish_ne...o_time.php

Controversial singer Doda is facing the prospect of doing two years behind bars for alleging that the Bible was written by people with a fondness for drinking too much wine and smoking herbal cigarettes.

We are living in an equal modern western world? this kind of stuff is why these blasphemy laws have to be taken down, just like other laws favoring religions.
i dont really believe that she'll be going to jail, just to pay fines.

what europen countries actually have a blasphemy law?
in Denmark, its no very tight, maximum 4months of jail for who "publicly offends or insults a religion that is recognized in the country."
in Germany blasphemy law was last used in 1994 to ban a musical comedy that ridiculed the Catholic doctrine of the immaculate conception by portraying crucified pigs.
theres more: http://www.dw-world.de/dw/article/0,,1894686,00.html but thats not all, i havent yet searched enought to find a list, if theres one.

but all those blasphemy things where something has been banned or someone has to pay fines are pretty extreme ones, expect for that polish one. how easily do they get offended? some som get very upset if you start questioning their beliefs or critizising their church/religion. even my mother got a little offended when we had a good conversation about religion and in some sentence i said something like ''gods were invented by humen''.

Why i support the free-thinkers:
1. church has to be separated from the goverment
2. all worldviews have to be equal
3. foodprayers, gods-services and other religious action out of public day-care centers and schools.
4. all laws wich are in favor of religions/goverment churches need to be chanched, like the blasphemy laws.

supporting them doesnt mean i accept all they do. i dont think it was a good idea for them to offer to chanche all religious books or other texts into porn magazines in the midle of helsinki.Smile sure it seemed funny, but it really doesnt give a good image of them to the people. and theres an investigation going on if they broke any laws...

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09-07-2010, 07:06 PM
 
RE: How easily do believers get offended?
If there was only a part of the world that combined explicit secularism with the social democratic government structure of West Europe. Or is that just West Europe I'm talking about?

Offense is a shield that believers hide behind as a substitute for rational argument. I am equally offended that you proclaim your belief in the invisible sky daddy, but people are allowed to wear t-shirts to school that state this. "One Love, One God, One Hope" or a multitude of quotes from the Bible are commonplace in my school.

BUT

If I was to wear a t-shirt that stated something like "God is the enemy of reason" or "One Love, One Hope, 0 Gods" or even something vague like "I believe in logic and reason, not primitive superstition" I would probably have to remove it because it is a "hateful slogan."

People who are offended when I question their religious beliefs can fuck off. All ideas must be challenged. That is why society hasn't progressed from religion, because it is never challenged. There is a veil of protection around it, and it is taboo to violate this veil.

And post 9/11, there seems to be a special protective barrier against Islam, because nobody wants to be politically insensitive by attributing the causes of terrorism to the religion of Islam. And it also seems like Muslims seem to be universally more offended when their beliefs are questioned than the majority of Christians. Perhaps it is the invasion and occupation of their lands by Western, Christian forces that has caused them to become more fundamental in general (or perhaps most of my experiences with Christians have been with children my age who probably only go to Church because they have to), but it pisses me off.

I mean, what arrogance to issue death threats to someone who draws a picture of Mohammad. I think the draw a picture of Mohammad contest on Facebook was a wonderful idea, albeit it probably wasn't started by atheists. Have these people ever heard of Hamlet 2, and the song "Rock Me Sexy Jesus?" I haven't heard of any killings resulting from that.
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10-07-2010, 03:44 AM
 
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I decided to look up the general penal code in Icelandic laws, and found the according to 125th article, 19/1940, it is illegal to mock legal religions (those who have the legal status as a religion) in a public stadium. Whoever is found guilty shall be fined or imprisoned for up to three months. However, i could only find one or two references to this ever being used, and only one man ever imprisoned for it, but couldn't find out when. I found another one who was punished for blasphemy as well, but that was in the year 999 for calling Freyja (the old norse goddess of love, beauty and fertility) a bitch. He was sentenced to a three year exile from Iceland.
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10-07-2010, 09:54 AM
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I remember In America, some atheist got into public office, but the state's constitution prohibited atheists from getting into office. Some religious douche bags tried to sue and get him out. Didn't do anything though, just got the clause struck from the constitution. So, yes we have religious bigots, but lucky they are, for the most part, kept out of office. At least the really bad ones.

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10-07-2010, 04:25 PM (This post was last modified: 10-07-2010 04:30 PM by Kikko.)
RE: How easily do believers get offended?
are there any statistics on atheism from different years/centuries? i would love to see how much is atheism rising, im happy to see that in 2005 in many and in many european countries believers were and propably are still a majority.
but i dont get how can it be that in my country we have a strong goverment church and christians seem to be everywhere, even thought in 2005 only 41% of the people believed in a god, i would like to know whats the percent these days.Cool
but yet again our neighbors are better than we are... in norway 32% believe in a god, in sweden 23% and in estonia only 16%(the soviet union must have had a huge effect) believe in a god:exclamation:in poland 80%.

also i was surpriced to find that these missionary companies do missionary work in estoniaSmile i always thought missionary is only done in developing countries and estonia is not one anymore, its even chanching its currency into euros next year.

im not happy to find out that in US only about 16% are atheists, doesnt that mean that 84% of the US citizen believe in a god?
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10-07-2010, 11:52 PM
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(10-07-2010 04:25 PM)Kikko Wrote:  im not happy to find out that in US only about 16% are atheists, doesnt that mean that 84% of the US citizen believe in a god?
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Yeah, we have a good chunk of believers in the U.S. I think that there are a lot of people who are atheists, just don't say it for one of two reasons. First, people just say what they were raised, even though they don't practice, or even think about, their religion. Secondly, atheism brings bad thoughts to a typical believer's mind. A lot of people don't want that stereotype, so they don't say they are an atheist.

Here is an interesting graph on Church attendance by country. 86% of America believe in god, but only 44% show it.

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11-07-2010, 04:19 AM
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(10-07-2010 11:52 PM)ashley.hunt60 Wrote:  Here is an interesting graph on Church attendance by country. 86% of America believe in god, but only 44% show it.

44% of america attend church services once or more in a week. believing can be shown in many other ways, like wearing a cross or something.
and the way that gods services are done every sunday affect also, here the ''sunday worships'' are something wich almost only the old people attend, because the churches are cold/cool, the benches are hard and uncomfortable and the atmosphere there is somehow melankolic, nobodys smiling, the preacher reads the same chapters he did a year ago, then they sing these songs from around the years 1500-1800 and everything is dark and serious. and theyre looooong....
not much has chanched in the last centuries, maybe thats why only 4% of the people here attend it once or more in a week.

when i was a kid i was always jealous of the ''american god sunday worspips'', they were some much happier, the music was good, here its just slow debressing organ solos and singing almost medieval songs in almost medieval churches Smile

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