How hard can it be to kill an unarmed person?
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08-03-2012, 04:13 PM
RE: How hard can it be to kill an unarmed person?
(08-03-2012 09:39 AM)germanyt Wrote:  I woudln't cut his throat but I might choke him out.

If you gave the poor bastard a fighting chance by releasing him and giving him a go against your pick of your best MMA individual in the squad to see who could choke who out and your guy tapped out, what then?

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08-03-2012, 05:06 PM
RE: How hard can it be to kill an unarmed person?
(08-03-2012 04:13 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(08-03-2012 09:39 AM)germanyt Wrote:  I woudln't cut his throat but I might choke him out.

If you gave the poor bastard a fighting chance by releasing him and giving him a go against your pick of your best MMA individual in the squad to see who could choke who out and your guy tapped out, what then?

Silly. I'd choke him out while his hands and feet were tied to a chair.

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08-03-2012, 05:28 PM
RE: How hard can it be to kill an unarmed person?
(08-03-2012 05:06 PM)germanyt Wrote:  
(08-03-2012 04:13 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(08-03-2012 09:39 AM)germanyt Wrote:  I woudln't cut his throat but I might choke him out.

If you gave the poor bastard a fighting chance by releasing him and giving him a go against your pick of your best MMA individual in the squad to see who could choke who out and your guy tapped out, what then?

Silly. I'd choke him out while his hands and feet were tied to a chair.

Pussy.

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08-03-2012, 05:30 PM
RE: How hard can it be to kill an unarmed person?
(08-03-2012 05:28 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(08-03-2012 05:06 PM)germanyt Wrote:  
(08-03-2012 04:13 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(08-03-2012 09:39 AM)germanyt Wrote:  I woudln't cut his throat but I might choke him out.

If you gave the poor bastard a fighting chance by releasing him and giving him a go against your pick of your best MMA individual in the squad to see who could choke who out and your guy tapped out, what then?

Silly. I'd choke him out while his hands and feet were tied to a chair.

Pussy.

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09-03-2012, 02:30 AM
RE: How hard can it be to kill an unarmed person?
I wouldn't kill him, I would cut his tongue ears and eyes out, also his feet and hands so he wouldn't be able to tell the others were did I go, that's would be the most humane thing to do, he keeps his life and I can escape Big Grin

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13-03-2012, 06:32 PM
RE: How hard can it be to kill an unarmed person?
There is a remarkable book called "on Killing" by LtCol. David Grossman. In it he discusses the psychology and the breakdown that would be required to kill a fellow man. He also makes a strong case for proximity in the determining factor as to whether or not killing is something a person is able to bring themselves to do. I would suggest that in your scenario it is akin to rappelling off a cliff for the first time, some....well most....would not be able to will there body to do it regardless of what there mind says.

On that theme though might I regale you with the story of Bhanbhagta Gurung, VC (tl;dr at bottom). From a Times article:
Quote:Bhanbhagta Gurung won his Victoria Cross in Burma in 1945. His action was the culmination of a series of extraordinarily gallant actions by this soldier of quite exceptional courage, yet it occurred while he was in disgrace, albeit unjustly.

Born in the hill village of Phalbu in western Nepal, he was recruited into the old Indian Army soon after the outbreak of the Second World War, and joined 3rd Battalion 2nd King Edward VII’s Own Gurkha Rifles (The Sirmoor Rifles). He first saw action with Brigadier Orde Wingate’s Chindit expedition into Upper Burma in March 1943, having received early promotion to Lance-Naik (Lance-Corporal).

He was with Wingate’s Number 4 Column, which had crossed the Chindwin and was on its deep penetration march behind the Japanese lines, when it was ambushed by elements of the very experienced Japanese 33rd Division and forced to disperse. Wingate had ordered his columns to do this when faced with overwhelming numerical superiority, but Bhanbhagta survived that day to be given further promotion to Naik (Corporal).

By the end of the first Chindit operation Bhanbhagta’s battalion had been very badly damaged and needed months of training and refitting. It was not until March 1944 that it was sent to Arakan to take part in the 25th Indian Division’s thrust down the Mayu Range, running parallel with the coast and leading to the strategically important port and airfield of Akyab. In the costly but ultimately successful fighting for what was known as the “Tiger” feature in September 1944, he did well while commanding a rifle section but then his luck changed and he was faced with disgrace.

His platoon commander, a Gurkha officer, sent him with his section to establish a picquet position on what turned out to be the wrong hill. The battalion commander was furious when reports reached him that the correct hill had not been secured as he intended. Bhanbhagta was charged with neglect of duty but all he would say in his defence was that he was certain he was on the hill he had been ordered to hold. His platoon commander remained silent and Bhanbhagta was reduced to the ranks and transferred to another company under a cloud.

In a subsequent action when a fellow rifleman was badly wounded, Bhanbhagta demonstrated his physical as well as moral strength by carrying him on his back for three miles over difficult jungle tracks to the company base.

The action for which he was awarded the VC followed 25th Indian Division’s landing at Ru-ywa on the Burma coast, an operation designed to divert Japanese attention away from General Sir William Slim’s main offensive towards Mandalay in February 1945. 25th Division’s advance to the Irrawaddy through the An pass was fiercely opposed by part of the Japanese 54th Division holding a series of hill features, including one code-named “Snowdon East”, near the village of Tamandu. 3rd/2nd Gurkha Rifles fought for two days to take and hold Snowdon but might have been denied their victory had it not been for Bhanbhagta.

The battalion’s supporting artillery had to cease firing when the leading rifle platoons began to incur casualties from supporting rounds falling short, because of crest clearance difficulties. The section of which Bhanbhagta was a member was then pinned down by machinegun fire, and a Japanese sniper in a tree added to the menace.

Unable to get the required rifle elevation from the prone position, Bhanbhagta stood up and shot the sniper dead. After that the section advanced until, 20 yards from the objective, it was held up again. Without waiting for orders and shouting for the rest of the section to follow, Bhanbhagta charged towards the top of the hill. He threw two grenades into an enemy fox hole directly above him, killing the two occupants before rushing to the next enemy trench which he cleared with the bayonet.

Savage hand-to-hand fighting then ensued with no quarter given. Bhanbhagta cleared two more foxholes single-handed. For a fifth time he went forward alone and leapt on the roof of a bunker to throw two phosphorous grenades into the slit. Two burning and partially blinded Japanese ran out and he killed them both with his kukri.

Crawling into it, he crushed the surviving machine gunner’s head with a rock, as there was insufficient room to swing his kukri. He then organised a Bren light machinegun to fire from the bunker, and his leadership of this small party was largely responsible for repelling the subsequent enemy counter-attack.

Snowdon East was taken but Bhanbhagta’s company lost half its men dead and wounded; 66 Japanese dead were counted. Bhanbhagta was awarded the Victoria Cross and the 2nd Gurkha Rifles the battle honour “Tamandu” to add to their many others.

After the war, Bhanbhagta’s company commander tried to persuade him to stay in the regiment, but having only a frail mother and young wife to care for his land and stock at Phalbu, he decided that he must return home. He left the Army in 1946, having regained the rank of Naik, but within a few years his regiment honoured him with the title of Havildar (Sergeant). The King of Nepal awarded him the Medal of the Order of the Star of Nepal. His three sons followed him into the 2nd Gurkha Rifles and are now pensioners.

Bhanbhagta Gurung, VC was a smiling, hard-swearing, gallant and indomitable peasant soldier who, in a battalion of very brave men, was one of the bravest.

The young wife whom he left the service to rejoin died before him. He is survived by his three sons.

His death leaves 11 surviving holders of the Victoria Cross.

Havildar Bhanbhagta Gurung, VC, 2nd King Edward VII’s Own Gurkha Rifles, was born in September 1921. He died on March 1, 2008, aged 86.
tl;dr Bhanbhagta Gurung, VC was a Gurkha in WWII that killed a bunch of Nazi's single-handedly and bashed one guys head out with a rock.

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13-03-2012, 08:28 PM (This post was last modified: 13-03-2012 08:43 PM by TheArcticSage.)
RE: How hard can it be to kill an unarmed person?
(26-02-2012 09:37 AM)Zat Wrote:  This is a real life situation from WW2.

A small group of soldiers got trapped behind enemy lines. They were hiding away in an old farmhouse. An enemy soldier wandered in, unaware of their presence. They captured him, tied him to a chair and gagged him.

They planned to sneak back to their own side during nightfall, but they had a problem.

They had to move in absolute silence, so they could not risk dragging an unwilling prisoner with them.

They did not dare to leave him there either, just in case he would be found and then sent his buddies after them before they were back in safety.

They did not dare to shoot him because of the sound of the gunshot would be heard by the enemy.

They had only 2 options:

- cut his throat with a knife
- surrender to the enemy

Question: how many of you think that you would have been able to walk up to an unarmed man, your age, tied to a chair, totally helpless, and cut his throat with a knife while he was watching you?

I see two perfectly good options here and 1 option depending on the circumstances.

They could take him with them, or they could leave him there, saying (we don't dare) is just an excuse. I don't make excuses, I would treat my enemy as I would have them treat me.

Now about that surrendering thing... If I was surrendering to the Nazi's I would have no problem with that. However, if I was surrendering to the Allies or the Russians... yeah there might be a problem with that.

To answer the question though if the man was a murder, torturer, or a rapist I could kill him without a problem. If he wasn't any of those things I could kill him yes... but I wouldn't, I'm not a man that lets my emotions control my decisions. I make my own destiny.

(09-03-2012 02:30 AM)nach_in Wrote:  I wouldn't kill him, I would cut his tongue ears and eyes out, also his feet and hands so he wouldn't be able to tell the others were did I go, that's would be the most humane thing to do, he keeps his life and I can escape Big Grin

I mentioned earlier that I would not kill this man, but if the only option I had was to kill him or do this to him, I would kill him. Then I would kill Nach, as I said, I have no problem killing people who torture other people regardless if they are unarmed and tied up.
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13-03-2012, 08:39 PM (This post was last modified: 13-03-2012 08:42 PM by Eternal.)
RE: How hard can it be to kill an unarmed person?
Fucking hell. As well as being the most egotistical post I have seen since I have been here you just couldn't avoid having a pop at the allies also. So you are now implying the Nazi's are good, the allies are bad. Hhhmmmmm. Still no hidden agenda.

I'm not a man that lets my emotions control my decisions.
I don't make excuses.
I make my own destiny.

Seriously, what fucking cheesy b movie are you from, are you even a real person? Please someone tell me this forum has an ignore feature somewhere.

Sorry for the brief derail. Back on topic now.

I would stop discussing the poor bastards fate, try to minimise the amount of noise he could make whilst not actually cutting any bits off or killing him, and then run like fuck.

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13-03-2012, 09:43 PM
RE: How hard can it be to kill an unarmed person?
(13-03-2012 08:39 PM)Eternal Wrote:  Fucking hell. As well as being the most egotistical post I have seen since I have been here you just couldn't avoid having a pop at the allies also. So you are now implying the Nazi's are good, the allies are bad. Hhhmmmmm. Still no hidden agenda.

I'm not a man that lets my emotions control my decisions.
I don't make excuses.
I make my own destiny.

Seriously, what fucking cheesy b movie are you from, are you even a real person? Please someone tell me this forum has an ignore feature somewhere.

Sorry for the brief derail. Back on topic now.

I would stop discussing the poor bastards fate, try to minimise the amount of noise he could make whilst not actually cutting any bits off or killing him, and then run like fuck.

Why are you trying to run off the new guy for? That is why we don't get any new opinions around here. You run off the new people and just circle jerk one another.
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13-03-2012, 10:25 PM
RE: How hard can it be to kill an unarmed person?
(13-03-2012 09:43 PM)mysticjbyrd Wrote:  
(13-03-2012 08:39 PM)Eternal Wrote:  Fucking hell. As well as being the most egotistical post I have seen since I have been here you just couldn't avoid having a pop at the allies also. So you are now implying the Nazi's are good, the allies are bad. Hhhmmmmm. Still no hidden agenda.

I'm not a man that lets my emotions control my decisions.
I don't make excuses.
I make my own destiny.

Seriously, what fucking cheesy b movie are you from, are you even a real person? Please someone tell me this forum has an ignore feature somewhere.

Sorry for the brief derail. Back on topic now.

I would stop discussing the poor bastards fate, try to minimise the amount of noise he could make whilst not actually cutting any bits off or killing him, and then run like fuck.

Why are you trying to run off the new guy for? That is why we don't get any new opinions around here. You run off the new people and just circle jerk one another.

I am a new guy, that is my opinion. Why is it worth less than his?

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