How many man-hours wasted in prayer?
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18-05-2015, 08:16 AM
RE: How many man-hours wasted in prayer?
(17-05-2015 10:44 AM)TubbyTubby Wrote:  What an almighty fucking waste of effort. What we might achieve if that effort was placed elsewhere? ?

I know, think of all the time they could have used to scroll their Facebook feeds, or complaining about others folks praying.
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18-05-2015, 08:31 AM
RE: How many man-hours wasted in prayer?
If people replaced prayer with learning, ignorance would decrease considerably.

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Ill-fac’d, worse bodied, shapeless every where;
Vicious, ungentle, foolish, blunt, unkind,
Stigmatical in making, worse in mind.
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18-05-2015, 08:45 AM
RE: How many man-hours wasted in prayer?
(17-05-2015 11:46 AM)Dravin Wrote:  You could probably add times spent in services (I suppose its not wasted for those getting paid out of it). Though that gets a little interesting as time in service varies, you have those who don't attend services and you Mormons who have 3 hour services. Actually Mormons are an interesting case as they also have their temples which pull double duty in taking a fair amount of time (how much depends what exactly you're doing in there but one thing they do takes ~2-2.5 hours) but lets people feel good about doing service as they consider it a service to the dead.

I was raised Mormon and for me I didn't really pray much. I know my dad prayed every morning and night, for every meal, whenever someone was really sick and any major problem. The church days were long with 3 hours and I was forced to go to seminary mon-fri for an hour before school. so you can add some praying with the seminary.
I definitely thought paying was a waste of time but, what really pissed me off was that until the day I was kicked out of my parents home at 18 I was never allowed out on Sundays. I wasted every Sunday until I was 18, sitting around the house and then I'd get to school on Monday and hear about all the stuff my non Mormon friends had done the day before.
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18-05-2015, 09:50 AM
RE: How many man-hours wasted in prayer?
(18-05-2015 12:00 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  
(17-05-2015 11:45 AM)dimaniac Wrote:  What you achieved is consequence of regulated capitalism. People in USSR and China didn't pray and didn't achieve much


Uh, no you stupid fuck. Facepalm

For starters, both countries went from practical feudalism to being major world super powers in half a century. Both, while nominally being atheist regimes, both allowed (and sometimes promoted) religion. Stalin reinstated the Eastern Orthodox Church in Russia, once they were willing to play ball and back the Soviets instead of the Czars (the church had traditionally supported the Czars and the royalist forces of the White Russians during their civil war in 1917-1923). Mao Zedong saw the establishment and popularization of 'traditional' Chinese remedies and the beliefs attached to them, aimed primarily at appeasing the poor (the rich and powerful received western medicine, much like Americans and Europeans).

The Soviet Union collapsed under the pressure of competing in an economic and military arms race initiated by the West (who first developed and deployed atomic weapons?), and backed by capitalist economies with centuries long head starts. The USSR never actually made it to socialism, but their nascent communism was unable to win the competition with well established capitalism. But in that time they managed to launch the first human satellite, put the first animal and human in space, and fielded a military that scared the rest of the world.

Do not belittle their multitude of achievements with your ignorant bullshit.
USSR and China were military superpowers. Economically they were far behind. I was born in last decade of USSR and almost nobody had cars, now 30-40% of population have cars. First human in space doesn't matter since it depends on percentage of spending(and stolen technology from Germany). USA spent practically nothing on space race until late 60s when government spending on NASA peaked at 4% of government spending. China become real superpower in last 30 years because they moved to market capitalist economy. Prayer/beliefs didn't have impact on anything of that.
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18-05-2015, 10:53 PM (This post was last modified: 18-05-2015 10:58 PM by EvolutionKills.)
RE: How many man-hours wasted in prayer?
(18-05-2015 09:50 AM)dimaniac Wrote:  
(18-05-2015 12:00 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  Uh, no you stupid fuck. Facepalm

For starters, both countries went from practical feudalism to being major world super powers in half a century. Both, while nominally being atheist regimes, both allowed (and sometimes promoted) religion. Stalin reinstated the Eastern Orthodox Church in Russia, once they were willing to play ball and back the Soviets instead of the Czars (the church had traditionally supported the Czars and the royalist forces of the White Russians during their civil war in 1917-1923). Mao Zedong saw the establishment and popularization of 'traditional' Chinese remedies and the beliefs attached to them, aimed primarily at appeasing the poor (the rich and powerful received western medicine, much like Americans and Europeans).

The Soviet Union collapsed under the pressure of competing in an economic and military arms race initiated by the West (who first developed and deployed atomic weapons?), and backed by capitalist economies with centuries long head starts. The USSR never actually made it to socialism, but their nascent communism was unable to win the competition with well established capitalism. But in that time they managed to launch the first human satellite, put the first animal and human in space, and fielded a military that scared the rest of the world.

Do not belittle their multitude of achievements with your ignorant bullshit.
USSR and China were military superpowers.


Which they managed to achieve in an incredibly short amount of time.


(18-05-2015 09:50 AM)dimaniac Wrote:  Economically they were far behind.


Capitalism had a centuries long head start.


(18-05-2015 09:50 AM)dimaniac Wrote:  I was born in last decade of USSR and almost nobody had cars, now 30-40% of population have cars.


Your point? Everyone in the US has cars out of necessity, and they're terrible for the environment (both in terms of pollution and fueling our dependence on fossil fuels and the nations that produce them). We're really spaced out and public transportation is shit, but in places where you can get by by walking or using public transit (New York City), many people get by without having a car.


(18-05-2015 09:50 AM)dimaniac Wrote:  First human in space doesn't matter since it depends on percentage of spending(and stolen technology from Germany).


NASA also had former Nazi researchers working for them, the US also confiscated V2 rockets and their technology. It was still an amazing human achievement, and people not wasting their time praying didn't stop them from doing that.


(18-05-2015 09:50 AM)dimaniac Wrote:  USA spent practically nothing on space race until late 60s when government spending on NASA peaked at 4% of government spending.


Sputnik wasn't launched until 1957, and the first flight in the Apollo program didn't occur until 1961, and we landed on the moon in 1969. This was the height of the space race, after President Kennedy pledged to put an man on the moon before the Soviets.


(18-05-2015 09:50 AM)dimaniac Wrote:  China become real superpower in last 30 years because they moved to market capitalist economy.


They too were unwilling to go whole-hog with socialism and institute a true collective restructuring of power and their economy. So in order to avoid the same pitfalls that befell the former USSR, they instituted capitalism reforms and allowed for more private industry. Time will only tell if their economic oligarchs will end up buying and controlling the PRC in the same way they have the USA.


(18-05-2015 09:50 AM)dimaniac Wrote:  Prayer/beliefs didn't have impact on anything of that.


That's because prayers have no effect outside of wasting time and making you feel better for doing nothing.

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19-05-2015, 08:36 AM (This post was last modified: 19-05-2015 09:03 AM by dimaniac.)
RE: How many man-hours wasted in prayer?
(18-05-2015 10:53 PM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  
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USSR and China were military superpowers.


Which they managed to achieve in an incredibly short amount of time.
Because of huge military spending. USSR spent 15-20% of GDP. USA spends 4% of GDP. World average is 2% of GDP.
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19-05-2015, 08:39 AM (This post was last modified: 19-05-2015 09:08 AM by dimaniac.)
RE: How many man-hours wasted in prayer?
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(18-05-2015 09:50 AM)dimaniac Wrote:  Economically they were far behind.


Capitalism had a centuries long head start.
Capitalism in South Korea and Singapore started few decades ago

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(18-05-2015 09:50 AM)dimaniac Wrote:  I was born in last decade of USSR and almost nobody had cars, now 30-40% of population have cars.


Your point?
Russia achieved relative economic prosperity not because we started to pray less(muslim parts are actually much more religious now) but because we changed economic system

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(18-05-2015 09:50 AM)dimaniac Wrote:  USA spent practically nothing on space race until late 60s when government spending on NASA peaked at 4% of government spending.


Sputnik wasn't launched until 1957, and the first flight in the Apollo program didn't occur until 1961, and we landed on the moon in 1969. This was the height of the space race, after President Kennedy pledged to put an man on the moon before the Soviets.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Budget_of_NASA
NASA spending in 57 was zero. Then it reached 4,5% of government spending(50 billion dollars today) which was only reason why USA won space race.

Quote:Time will only tell if their economic oligarchs will end up buying and controlling the PRC in the same way they have the USA.
You are leftist idiot. USA is controlled by middle class which allows capitalists to be rich because it is beneficial to economy as whole. Their billions can be nationalized any moment that's why Buffet, Soros and others call for higher taxes on rich.

Quote:That's because prayers have no effect outside of wasting time and making you feel better for doing nothing.
No prayers has no effect too. Achievements depend on spending which depends on size of economy/overall prosperity..
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19-05-2015, 08:39 AM
RE: How many man-hours wasted in prayer?
(18-05-2015 08:16 AM)Tomasia Wrote:  
(17-05-2015 10:44 AM)TubbyTubby Wrote:  What an almighty fucking waste of effort. What we might achieve if that effort was placed elsewhere? ?

I know, think of all the time they could have used to scroll their Facebook feeds, or complaining about others folks praying.

You could trying praying for people to find more useful things to do you know Wink Tell me, since even if you do so pray, both you and I know that God will not answer that prayer, or any other, how does it make you feel, telling your fears and hopes to the empty and uncaring void? Smile

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24-05-2015, 09:12 PM
RE: How many man-hours wasted in prayer?
(18-05-2015 08:45 AM)Ocean theRAPIST Wrote:  I was raised Mormon and for me I didn't really pray much. I know my dad prayed every morning and night, for every meal, whenever someone was really sick and any major problem. The church days were long with 3 hours and I was forced to go to seminary mon-fri for an hour before school. so you can add some praying with the seminary.

I definitely thought paying was a waste of time but, what really pissed me off was that until the day I was kicked out of my parents home at 18 I was never allowed out on Sundays. I wasted every Sunday until I was 18, sitting around the house and then I'd get to school on Monday and hear about all the stuff my non Mormon friends had done the day before.

Yeah, some Mormons take the whole "Keep the Sabbath Day Holy" thing to some eyebrow raising levels. I know of families that in addition to spending the entire day in the house with no entertainment also spend the whole day in their Sunday dress clothes. My parents fluctuated over the years over how many rules they wanted to set down. As nice as it was for them to loosen up and relax the rules it always sucked when some conference talk or Ensign article would make them declare, "No more X from now on."

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