How old does the bible say the Earth is?
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12-03-2016, 11:59 AM
RE: How old does the bible say the Earth is?
Have you every heared of Last Thursdayism. It states that the universe was created last Thursday. And only has the Physical appearance of being billions of years old.

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12-03-2016, 12:13 PM
RE: How old does the bible say the Earth is?
(12-03-2016 11:34 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:  
(12-03-2016 11:25 AM)Aliza Wrote:  According to the bible, the age of the earth is 5776 years, plus 6 additional days.

The years since Adam are counted separately from the time of creation. According to the bible, only the time from Adam onward is included in the 5776 years. The six days prior to Adam are a whole different conversation.

Why would this be at all? Did not God tell moses these dates and figures to account down in the 1st 5 books of the torah? Why would he tell him details of creation in day accounts if to say those are different from then counting the days of x person lived x years and onward until his time.

The "days" of creation do not have to be 24 hours each. There's nothing to say that they must be. The Jewish calendar only counts the time since Adam, and Adam was not the first human to walk the earth. So... Jews simply have a different understanding of the story of creation than Christians do.

After Adam is the period of time concerning our history. -And I realize that atheists don't accept biblical history, but that's still the reason for the split in the calendar.
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12-03-2016, 12:28 PM
RE: How old does the bible say the Earth is?
(12-03-2016 11:38 AM)Gawdzilla Wrote:  Bishop Ussher calculated the creation of the Universe as being at 6:30 PM, October 24, 4004 BC.

The last guy I quoted that to pulled a book off his shelf and read that it was 9:00 AM. I I referred him to the Evening and morning are the first day business, but he held firm because he had a PhD in theology. But I thought it was six PM!
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12-03-2016, 12:29 PM
RE: How old does the bible say the Earth is?
(12-03-2016 12:13 PM)Aliza Wrote:  
(12-03-2016 11:34 AM)ClydeLee Wrote:  Why would this be at all? Did not God tell moses these dates and figures to account down in the 1st 5 books of the torah? Why would he tell him details of creation in day accounts if to say those are different from then counting the days of x person lived x years and onward until his time.

The "days" of creation do not have to be 24 hours each. There's nothing to say that they must be. The Jewish calendar only counts the time since Adam, and Adam was not the first human to walk the earth. So... Jews simply have a different understanding of the story of creation than Christians do.

After Adam is the period of time concerning our history. -And I realize that atheists don't accept biblical history, but that's still the reason for the split in the calendar.

Then why would god dictate in the form of a day to his telling of the creation to be written down if it's not merely the truth?

Doesn't that equal ability to say he could just be stretching the truth in other forms like the adam & eve account as well or any other tale before Moses's time.

If a day could be anything, why can't a year be anything. Maybe shem didn't live 502 earth rotates around the sun years but 502 months that god chose to call years, making him 41 in years or really more like 502 moon phases which might of been calculated by the people at the time which being around 28 days would give a few more years to his life, either way that wouldn't be an unreasonable account for many of these supposedly biologically differently built men who lived so long.

If one thing doesn't have to be as written neither does anything else. Why is it that only some details are given this treatment too though.

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12-03-2016, 12:30 PM
RE: How old does the bible say the Earth is?
I think the count should start the day the Angel drove Adam and Eve from the Garden, because all was perfect before then. Maybe they had lived several billion years before the Fall! These were our musings in college as our young minds tried to make sense of the force fed BS we got during the daytime classes.
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12-03-2016, 12:31 PM
RE: How old does the bible say the Earth is?
(12-03-2016 11:59 AM)Commonsensei Wrote:  Have you every heared of Last Thursdayism. It states that the universe was created last Thursday. And only has the Physical appearance of being billions of years old.

I would prefer last Tuesdayism, myself if given the choice!
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12-03-2016, 12:47 PM
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(12-03-2016 12:29 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  
(12-03-2016 12:13 PM)Aliza Wrote:  The "days" of creation do not have to be 24 hours each. There's nothing to say that they must be. The Jewish calendar only counts the time since Adam, and Adam was not the first human to walk the earth. So... Jews simply have a different understanding of the story of creation than Christians do.

After Adam is the period of time concerning our history. -And I realize that atheists don't accept biblical history, but that's still the reason for the split in the calendar.

Then why would god dictate in the form of a day to his telling of the creation to be written down if it's not merely the truth?

Doesn't that equal ability to say he could just be stretching the truth in other forms like the adam & eve account as well or any other tale before Moses's time.

If a day could be anything, why can't a year be anything. Maybe shem didn't live 502 earth rotates around the sun years but 502 months that god chose to call years, making him 41 in years or really more like 502 moon phases which might of been calculated by the people at the time which being around 28 days would give a few more years to his life, either way that wouldn't be an unreasonable account for many of these supposedly biologically differently built men who lived so long.

If one thing doesn't have to be as written neither does anything else. Why is it that only some details are given this treatment too though.

This really isn’t stretching the truth. This is just a translation deficiency. The English understanding of the word “day” doesn’t encompass the entire scope of the Hebrew word, “yom”.

The word “yom” used here that has been translated to “day” in English really just means a period of time from darkness to light. –and that doesn’t have to mean strictly physical dark to physical light. It can also mean a period of time from disorder(dark) to order(light), or from ignorance(dark) to knowledge(light).

A day, as understood in Hebrew, fits into this definition. Jewish days go from evening to day. They start at sundown (darkness) and continue past sunrise(light) until the darkness of the next day begins.

The wording in Genesis remains valid even if you apply the understanding that each “day” can be billions of years long. If we’ve gone from a period of time with no vegetation to a period of time with vegetation, then we’ve met the criteria for a “yom.”

I would suggest that your alternate understanding for Shem’s lifetime would comply with the definition of “yom” provided that you can show that each month can be considered to be a “yom”… a period of dark to light. If you could demonstrate this, I can’t see why it shouldn’t be considered.
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13-03-2016, 02:33 AM
RE: How old does the bible say the Earth is?
(12-03-2016 12:47 PM)Aliza Wrote:  
(12-03-2016 12:29 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  Then why would god dictate in the form of a day to his telling of the creation to be written down if it's not merely the truth?

Doesn't that equal ability to say he could just be stretching the truth in other forms like the adam & eve account as well or any other tale before Moses's time.

If a day could be anything, why can't a year be anything. Maybe shem didn't live 502 earth rotates around the sun years but 502 months that god chose to call years, making him 41 in years or really more like 502 moon phases which might of been calculated by the people at the time which being around 28 days would give a few more years to his life, either way that wouldn't be an unreasonable account for many of these supposedly biologically differently built men who lived so long.

If one thing doesn't have to be as written neither does anything else. Why is it that only some details are given this treatment too though.

This really isn’t stretching the truth. This is just a translation deficiency. The English understanding of the word “day” doesn’t encompass the entire scope of the Hebrew word, “yom”.

The word “yom” used here that has been translated to “day” in English really just means a period of time from darkness to light. –and that doesn’t have to mean strictly physical dark to physical light. It can also mean a period of time from disorder(dark) to order(light), or from ignorance(dark) to knowledge(light).

A day, as understood in Hebrew, fits into this definition. Jewish days go from evening to day. They start at sundown (darkness) and continue past sunrise(light) until the darkness of the next day begins.

The wording in Genesis remains valid even if you apply the understanding that each “day” can be billions of years long. If we’ve gone from a period of time with no vegetation to a period of time with vegetation, then we’ve met the criteria for a “yom.”

I would suggest that your alternate understanding for Shem’s lifetime would comply with the definition of “yom” provided that you can show that each month can be considered to be a “yom”… a period of dark to light. If you could demonstrate this, I can’t see why it shouldn’t be considered.

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13-03-2016, 02:45 AM
RE: How old does the bible say the Earth is?
(12-03-2016 12:47 PM)Aliza Wrote:  
(12-03-2016 12:29 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  Then why would god dictate in the form of a day to his telling of the creation to be written down if it's not merely the truth?

Doesn't that equal ability to say he could just be stretching the truth in other forms like the adam & eve account as well or any other tale before Moses's time.

If a day could be anything, why can't a year be anything. Maybe shem didn't live 502 earth rotates around the sun years but 502 months that god chose to call years, making him 41 in years or really more like 502 moon phases which might of been calculated by the people at the time which being around 28 days would give a few more years to his life, either way that wouldn't be an unreasonable account for many of these supposedly biologically differently built men who lived so long.

If one thing doesn't have to be as written neither does anything else. Why is it that only some details are given this treatment too though.

This really isn’t stretching the truth. This is just a translation deficiency. The English understanding of the word “day” doesn’t encompass the entire scope of the Hebrew word, “yom”.

The word “yom” used here that has been translated to “day” in English really just means a period of time from darkness to light. –and that doesn’t have to mean strictly physical dark to physical light. It can also mean a period of time from disorder(dark) to order(light), or from ignorance(dark) to knowledge(light).

A day, as understood in Hebrew, fits into this definition. Jewish days go from evening to day. They start at sundown (darkness) and continue past sunrise(light) until the darkness of the next day begins.

The wording in Genesis remains valid even if you apply the understanding that each “day” can be billions of years long. If we’ve gone from a period of time with no vegetation to a period of time with vegetation, then we’ve met the criteria for a “yom.”

I would suggest that your alternate understanding for Shem’s lifetime would comply with the definition of “yom” provided that you can show that each month can be considered to be a “yom”… a period of dark to light. If you could demonstrate this, I can’t see why it shouldn’t be considered.


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13-03-2016, 03:29 AM
RE: How old does the bible say the Earth is?
(12-03-2016 11:38 AM)Gawdzilla Wrote:  Bishop Ussher calculated the creation of the Universe as being at 6:30 PM, October 24, 4004 BC.

What time zone?
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