How science can measure value, worth, and beauty in the future
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21-10-2014, 04:41 PM
RE: How science can measure value, worth, and beauty in the future
Yea, this isn't talking with others... this is talking at others. This risks not being listened to. Drinking Beverage

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21-10-2014, 05:17 PM
RE: How science can measure value, worth, and beauty in the future
(21-10-2014 02:00 PM)MattMVS7 Wrote:  God only exists in the form of a concept and this concept exists in the form of the functioning of the neurons in people's brains that have created this concept (and possibly in other objects based on their grouped atoms, but I am not too sure on this). But God does not exist at all in any other sense (whether it be supernatural or in any other sense) and to say that the concept itself of God does exist in some other sense besides scientific functioning in this universe would be delusional. Same thing with value, worth, and beauty. These are all concepts that can be measured in people's brains and we can determine the value, worth, and beauty of that person and maybe in other objects. But to say that these concepts do exist in some other sense besides the functioning of those neurons/atoms/subatomic particles would be delusional.

I think your logic is backwards. Consider the following.

1. God only exists as a concept in people's brains
2. It is delusional to believe concepts in people's brains exist in reality
3. Therefore, it is delusional to believe God exists in reality

1. Value, worth, and beauty exist as concepts in people's brains
2. It is delusional to believe concepts in people's brains exist in reality
3. Therefore, it is delusional to believe value, worth, and beauty exist in reality

1. Dogs, cats, and people exist as concepts in people's brains
2. It is delusional to believe concepts in peoples brains exist in reality
3. Therefore, it is delusional to believe dogs, cats, and people exist in reality

Whether or not something exists is reality is not dependant on whether a concept of that thing exists in people's brains. Existence in reality must be determined independently of the concepts of the thing in people's brains.

Give me your argument in the form of a published paper, and then we can start to talk.
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21-10-2014, 05:57 PM (This post was last modified: 21-10-2014 06:01 PM by MattMVS7.)
RE: How science can measure value, worth, and beauty in the future
(21-10-2014 05:17 PM)Hafnof Wrote:  
(21-10-2014 02:00 PM)MattMVS7 Wrote:  God only exists in the form of a concept and this concept exists in the form of the functioning of the neurons in people's brains that have created this concept (and possibly in other objects based on their grouped atoms, but I am not too sure on this). But God does not exist at all in any other sense (whether it be supernatural or in any other sense) and to say that the concept itself of God does exist in some other sense besides scientific functioning in this universe would be delusional. Same thing with value, worth, and beauty. These are all concepts that can be measured in people's brains and we can determine the value, worth, and beauty of that person and maybe in other objects. But to say that these concepts do exist in some other sense besides the functioning of those neurons/atoms/subatomic particles would be delusional.

I think your logic is backwards. Consider the following.

1. God only exists as a concept in people's brains
2. It is delusional to believe concepts in people's brains exist in reality
3. Therefore, it is delusional to believe God exists in reality

1. Value, worth, and beauty exist as concepts in people's brains
2. It is delusional to believe concepts in people's brains exist in reality
3. Therefore, it is delusional to believe value, worth, and beauty exist in reality

1. Dogs, cats, and people exist as concepts in people's brains
2. It is delusional to believe concepts in peoples brains exist in reality
3. Therefore, it is delusional to believe dogs, cats, and people exist in reality

Whether or not something exists is reality is not dependant on whether a concept of that thing exists in people's brains. Existence in reality must be determined independently of the concepts of the thing in people's brains.

Actually, that's not what I said. I did not say that the concepts would not exist in reality. I said that for these concepts to exist in reality, but not be scientific functioning in this universe would be delusional.
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22-10-2014, 03:42 AM
RE: How science can measure value, worth, and beauty in the future
(21-10-2014 02:00 PM)MattMVS7 Wrote:  But everything I've written here is very interesting and important.
It's neither. It's just your usual, retarted, incoherent, boring, egotistical rambling.

Go get fucked by an elephant on Viagra.
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