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16-03-2013, 07:23 PM (This post was last modified: 17-03-2013 06:01 AM by Zat.)
How to achieve world peace...
A very good friend of mine made this suggestion and thought that it could start an interesting thread.

I will copy it here, without adding/changing/deleting anything.

Feel free to comment.

Here it comes:

1. Hand over all the keys to all the military installations to the UN, who will then destroy 100% of the nuclear missiles, decommission 90% of tanks, submarines and weapons, reassign 80% of the ships, aircraft and land vehicles for civilian use (rescue, emergency, cleanup and relief operations) and keep only a small standing army (international and fully integrated, of course) for intervention in local flare-ups.

2. Set up international courts of arbitration for outstanding disputes between peoples - the administration of each ruling to be done by a peace-keeping committee for the first five years; the committee than reports back to the court with recommendations for amendment - when it's working, the ruling becomes final. Then the committee hands over control to the local elected governments.

3. Disarm all repressive regimes and police forces that have a record of harming the citizens. Leave honest police forces in place, with all their crime-fighting capability, but take away their crowd-control equipment. Collect and destroy as many private weapons as can be done without riots; stop the retailing of new weapons and all ammunition.

4. Remove all clergy from political office and influential positions near government. Take away their privileges regarding money-collection, wealth accumulation, tax-exemption and property ownership.

5. Repeat 4. with the richest 0.01% of the world's population and the top 100 banks.

6. Abolish compound interest; write off all current debts. Confiscate the ill-gotten gains of above groups; hand over land and stationary assets to local governments;collect the liquid assets in an international fund
to be used wherever most needed.

7. Now that governments don't have to spend most of their time waging war and serving the rich and godly, and have the wherewithal, they can get on with their proper job: taking care of the people who elect them, dealing with problems of energy and production and distribution.

Assumption: (copied in from Post #11 for those who read only the OP)

You are an omnipotent alien. You are completely fair and totally incorruptible. You can make the rules and you can enforce them.

Pretend that you could do anything you wanted to do -- how would you go about it if your aim was world peace?

This is an exercise in imagination and creativity.
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16-03-2013, 07:40 PM
RE: How to achieve world peace...
The people who benefit from the current set up are the ones who wield the most power. They would never advocate removing their own power.

The problem of disarming all 'bad people' is that the world isn't so black and white. Everything is just a shade of grey.

World peace is probably unachievable and definitely unsustainable, even if every person in the world wanted it. People think too subjectively. Most bad people don't see themselves as bad, they believe they are justified in what they do. The greatest ability (and possibly survival tool) of the human brain is to justify it's actions, however evil and self-serving they may be. Besides there are still a small minority of totally evil people who don't even care whether their actions are justified and just do whatever they want.

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16-03-2013, 08:03 PM
RE: How to achieve world peace...
I guess I should have spelled out the assumption: you have unlimited power (maybe you are a god or an omnipotent alien).

How would you go about establishing world peace?

What steps would you take, in what order?

Those who have read Arthur C. Clarke's "Childhood's End" will know what I mean.
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16-03-2013, 08:08 PM
RE: How to achieve world peace...
I could not read past number one. Do you seriously trust the UN. Really?
This is new world order shit your talking about. No thank you.

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16-03-2013, 08:09 PM
RE: How to achieve world peace...
(16-03-2013 08:03 PM)Zat Wrote:  I guess I should have spelled out the assumption: you have unlimited power (maybe you are a god or an omnipotent alien).

How would you go about establishing world peace?

What steps would you take, in what order?

Those who have read Arthur C. Clarke's "Childhood's End" will know what I mean.

Ah, that's different.

If I wanted to achieve world peace I'm not sure how I'd go about it, I'd have to really think it over. It sounds terrible but I'm not sure I would, intervening in such a way would have a huge effect on free will. I'd also have to consider that little conundrum.

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Ferdinand: We don't really say 'theist' in Alabama. Here, you're either a Christian, or you're from Afghanistan and we fucking hate you.
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Ferdinand: Everyone from British is so, like, fucking retarded.
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16-03-2013, 08:18 PM
RE: How to achieve world peace...
(16-03-2013 07:23 PM)Zat Wrote:  A very good friend of mine made this suggestion and thought that it could start an interesting thread.

I will copy it here, without adding/changing/deleting anything.

Feel free to comment.
Unfortunately all of his/her suggestions presuppose that whoever is left in charge (country governments, local governments, UN, police forces, committees) will act fairly and justly and from what I'm reading above power is being consolidated into fewer hands. Bad juju.

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16-03-2013, 08:33 PM
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Your friend is in a fantasy land and appears to have a low understanding of security forces in whole.

Ideas and words are the worst weapons of all. People with phobias to weapons dont realize that everything is a weapon. The 1st tool ever made also doubled as a weapon.

Oh wow, I just read No.6. Why did you even post this?
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16-03-2013, 08:37 PM
RE: How to achieve world peace...
1.
Hand over all the keys to all the military installations to the UN, who
will then destroy 100% of the nuclear missiles, decommission 90% of
tanks, submarines and weapons, reassign 80% of the ships, aircraft and
land vehicles for civilian use (rescue, emergency, cleanup and relief
operations) and keep only a small standing army (international and fully
integrated, of course) for intervention in local flare-ups.


Has your friend thought about how the economy will be affected by putting millions of military personnel out of work? What about all the civilians whose jobs depend on the military? Don't get me wrong, I'd love to see militaries vanish but from an economic standpoint, major industries can't just be switched off like a lamp. Also, who is to be in charge of this operation and how do we know they're not corrupted/corruptible?


2. Set up international courts of arbitration for outstanding disputes
between peoples - the administration of each ruling to be done by a
peace-keeping committee for the first five years; the committee than
reports back to the court with recommendations for amendment - when it's
working, the ruling becomes final. Then the committee hands over
control to the local elected governments.


Again,
who is to be in charge of this operation and how do we know they're not corrupted/corruptible?


3. Disarm all repressive regimes and police forces that have a record of
harming the citizens. Leave honest police forces in place, with all
their crime-fighting capability, but take away their crowd-control
equipment. Collect and destroy as many private weapons as can be done
without riots; stop the retailing of new weapons and all ammunition.


He should have stopped at "and police forces". They all have a record of harming citizens and they will all have a record for harming citizens for as long as laws other than common law exist. And why destroy private arms? Is he a gun control guy? Obviously not because it isn't guns he's trying to get rid of, it's that he only wants guns in the hands of the state.


4. Remove all clergy from political office and influential positions
near government. Take away their privileges regarding money-collection,
wealth accumulation, tax-exemption and property ownership.


How does one achieve peace by denying the rights of certain individuals to earn and keep their own property?


5. Repeat 4. with the richest 0.01% of the world's population and the top 100 banks.


Another again...
How does one achieve peace by denying the rights of certain individuals to earn and keep their own property?


6. Abolish compound interest; write off all current debts. Confiscate
the ill-gotten gains of above groups; hand over land and stationary
assets to local governments;collect the liquid assets in an
international fund

to be used wherever most needed.


Oh, he's a communist. How has communism worked out in the past?


7. Now that governments don't have to spend most of their time waging
war and serving the rich and godly, and have the wherewithal, they can
get on with their proper job: taking care of the people who elect them,
dealing with problems of energy and production and distribution.

Here's the fundamental misconception that has caused your friend's whole problem. "
taking care of the people who elect them,
dealing with problems of energy and production and distribution" is government's stated purpose. It's very important that when we're told something by someone (or some group), we apply more scrutiny to what they do than what they say. In the case of government, what they do is
wage
war & serve the rich and godly. It doesn't matter what they say, it only matters what they do. Thus, if your friend could wave a wand and accomplish all the things listed above number seven, we'd be worse off than we were before. This is because there would then be an even smaller number of people who called themselves government, who would wield even more power over more people and they would remain completely unaccountable for their actions.


In the end, the reason we don't have world peace is that most people are either violent or approve of violence and are indoctrinated into believing something irrational. Sometimes it's religion, sometimes it's country, sometimes it's government, somethimes it's "my sports team" and sometimes it's all of them together. And until a majority of human beings on this planet are not indoctrinated into any of irrational beliefs, there will be no world peace... no matter how many guns you point at people and no matter which group is pointing those guns at them.

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16-03-2013, 09:16 PM
RE: How to achieve world peace...
If I may be so bold as to edit the original slightly...

(16-03-2013 07:23 PM)Zat Wrote:  Here it comes:

1. Hand over all the keys to ....


.... women.

That is all.

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17-03-2013, 04:09 AM
RE: How to achieve world peace...
(16-03-2013 08:03 PM)Zat Wrote:  I guess I should have spelled out the assumption: you have unlimited power (maybe you are a god or an omnipotent alien).

That makes it easy. Since the absence of peace comes first from people choosing to carry out violence against others,
all I would have to do as an omnipotent being is stop people from choosing to carry out violence against anybody. Smile
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