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24-01-2013, 05:22 PM
RE: How to become a Veridican--what do you think?
(23-01-2013 06:38 PM)Egor Wrote:  
(21-01-2013 12:41 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  Hey Ed, correct me if I'm wrong with this analysis:

From what I can gather, Veridicanism isn't a branch of Christianity. It's more of an interpretation of scripture.

Basically, it's like an eschatological interpretation. It doesn't define your denomination and can be integrated in it.

Just like there are Baptists and Catholics that are amillennialist or Methodists and Presbyterians that are Pre-trib, you can be a Baptist, Catholic, Episcopalian, etc, and believe in Veridicanism.

Yes?
No?

Hey K.C.,

I’m going to answer this here, and also post it in my forum under defining Veridicanism, but I will come back here to comment or there, wherever the comments are. It’s just a good question that fits both places.

I have thought about this a great deal, and at this time, I’m leading the Veridican Church by fiat (which I hate), so it is up to me to answer this question definitively for you.

I realize in the future this may change. In 2113 there may be war fought over it, who knows. But Edward Gordon, living in 2013, believes that Veridicanism is a Christian religion based on an interpretation of the Scripture. Even the Veridican Gospel of Jesus Christ is a synthesis, it’s not some newly dreamed up prophecy. It is derivative in nature. It includes the Gospel of Thomas, but even that inclusion was done for fundamentalist reasons, not for some new age, Gnostic reason.

The Gospel of Thomas was not discovered until the 1940’s. I read a thesis on it, and the conclusion was that the only reason it wasn’t included in the Bible is because it probably wasn’t known to exist. A study of that Gospel reveals that it is less Gnostic in nature than the Gospel of John. And as a “sayings” Gospel—it really should be part of the Christian Canon, but it’s not.

Even worse: In 2005, when I penned the VGJC, I used various versions of the New Testament for comparison. Each one of those translations was carefully constructed over years by hardcore theologian scholars who took their work very seriously. But that wasn’t the case with the Gospel of Thomas. I learned about it in the 1990s and at that time there was only one translation I ever found, by 2005, everyone with a computer was translating it. The entire work is literally being lost to careless translation. There aren’t monks and scribes and theologians carefully preserving the text over centuries. The last document was in a cave in Nag Hammadi. It has no protection. So I saved it.

I saved it by taking the four Gospels, four of the best translations of Thomas, and synthesizing them all into one Gospel, and I did this under the direction and interpretation of the Holy Spirit.

How do I know it was the Holy Spirit? All I can say is God has talked to me since I was nine years old. God has sent me precognitive dreams and given me original arguments for His existence. God showed me proof of His existence to the point where I don’t even believe in Him anymore. To say I believe in God would be like saying I “believe” my wife exists. He gave me certainty. He led me to be a writer; He led me to be a Christian; He showed me the mysteries of the Gospel, and then He showed me the Gospel of Thomas, and I followed his command to write a Gospel of Jesus Christ.

There was the Old Testament. There was the New Testament, now there is the current testament. In my opinion, they should all be in one book, because I still use the Bible every day.

The interesting thing about Veridicanism that I never realized until recently is that it doesn’t interfere with any other denomination. It seasons them, or they season it, however you want to look at it. I was baptized Lutheran as a child. I’m still a Lutheran—I also happen to be a Veridican. And every one of the Articles of Faith of Veridicanism can be supported by New Testament Scripture. In other words, Veridicanism has its ordination through the Word of God.

So, other denominations may reject Veridicanism, but Veridicanism doesn’t reject other denominations. Unfortunately, therein lies a hard reality: One may have to endure the rejection of their denomination if they profess a Veridican belief. Even sadder, by the time the atheists get done shredding traditional Christianity, it may not matter what the other denominations do. If they were smart, they’d incorporate Veridicanism, because atheists can’t touch it. It slays them where they stand.

Can one be a Veridican and also a Catholic, Lutheran, Anglican, denominational or Non-denominational Protestant? Of course they can. Actually, I would expect they would be. If Edward Gordon is a Lutheran and a Veridican, I would say the answer to your question is a definitive, “Yes.”

Thanks for asking it. Smartass
Thanks, Ed.

It's interesting to think about... especially the Thomas stuff. Makes you wonder if it would have been canonized if it was known about during the CoN.

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24-01-2013, 05:51 PM
 
RE: How to become a Veridican--what do you think?
(24-01-2013 05:10 PM)fstratzero Wrote:  just found this...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Veridicanism

I thought they were going to delete that. I guess they haven't done so yet. I'll go in and do some editing on it. They said they were going to delete it. I said I understood completely, and even agreed with it. And yet it's still there. Unsure

As for the Yale lecture: I already watched that a long time ago. But thanks. Smile
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24-01-2013, 05:59 PM
 
RE: How to become a Veridican--what do you think?
(24-01-2013 05:22 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  It's interesting to think about... especially the Thomas stuff. Makes you wonder if it would have been canonized if it was known about during the CoN.

Some people argue against it because of its later authorship, but others say it seems to be taken directly from the Q source. Of course, some people believe that a person named Matthew or Mark, Luke or John wrote the NT gospels, but of course we have no Idea who wrote them, and it is fully known that the names were merely ascribe to them by the early Catholic Church.

In this day and age, someone had to come along who could synthesize them. But that would have to be a person who was completely on fire for God and Jesus and yet totally separated from the Church or its biased authority. That person was me. Old Testament, New Testament, Current Testament.

The good news is (no pun intended) that I'll be posting a .pdf, .html, and .prc file of The Veridican Gospel of Jesus Christ which people will be able to download for free. Amazon will miss the sales, I have no doubt, but it can't be helped. Girl_nails
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24-01-2013, 06:09 PM
RE: How to become a Veridican--what do you think?
How to become a Verdican?

Lack of oxygen to the brain for about 8 minutes might do it.
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24-01-2013, 06:11 PM
RE: How to become a Veridican--what do you think?
(24-01-2013 05:59 PM)Egor Wrote:  
(24-01-2013 05:22 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  It's interesting to think about... especially the Thomas stuff. Makes you wonder if it would have been canonized if it was known about during the CoN.

Some people argue against it because of its later authorship, but others say it seems to be taken directly from the Q source. Of course, some people believe that a person named Matthew or Mark, Luke or John wrote the NT gospels, but of course we have no Idea who wrote them, and it is fully known that the names were merely ascribe to them by the early Catholic Church.

In this day and age, someone had to come along who could synthesize them. But that would have to be a person who was completely on fire for God and Jesus and yet totally separated from the Church or its biased authority. That person was me. Old Testament, New Testament, Current Testament.

The good news is (no pun intended) that I'll be posting a .pdf, .html, and .prc file of The Veridican Gospel of Jesus Christ which people will be able to download for free. Amazon will miss the sales, I have no doubt, but it can't be helped. Girl_nails
Egor...give it up, man. It is clear that you no longer believe in the inerrancy of the Bible and, as a result, that the Bible may be the word of some "God".

Deal with it man. We can help.
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24-01-2013, 08:34 PM
RE: How to become a Veridican--what do you think?
(24-01-2013 02:37 AM)Egor Wrote:  
(23-01-2013 05:03 PM)fstratzero Wrote:  Hey Egor remember when you hated Christianity?

Anything I preached before December 23, 2012, is irrelevant. That was when I was wandering and still trying to figure out what Veridicanism meant to me. You will no doubt bring it up and up again, but I've repented of all that, and God knows it. Now you know it, too.

Quote:Mark 3:28-30: "Truly I tell you, people will be forgiven all their sins and all the blasphemies they utter. But whoever blasphemes against the Holy Spirit will never be forgiven, but is guilty of an eternal sin. He said this because they [the Pharisees] were saying, ‘He has an evil spirit’."

Yup you are stuck with us now for all eternity. Tongue

“For this reason, I say to you that all sin and blasphemy a person does will be forgiven of that person, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. That person is guilty of an eternal sin.

“Whoever speaks against the Son of Man shall be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit—the Spirit of Truth—will never be forgiven, not now and not in the future.”
(VGJC 14:28-29)

If you ridicule me, no problem. If you ridicule the Spirit that guides me, you're screwed. But don't worry, you won't care about that until you get to hell. Evil_monster
I'm not attacking you personally but was trying to point out that according to the bible you are stuck with us. However you wrote your own bible and fixed that little problem. Touche sir.

Now to threaten me with hell is like me threatening you with with reincarnation, bad karma, or an eternity of eating cheese wiz.

Also it's a form of pascals wager failure.

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24-01-2013, 11:40 PM
RE: How to become a Veridican--what do you think?
(24-01-2013 08:34 PM)fstratzero Wrote:  
(24-01-2013 02:37 AM)Egor Wrote:  Anything I preached before December 23, 2012, is irrelevant. That was when I was wandering and still trying to figure out what Veridicanism meant to me. You will no doubt bring it up and up again, but I've repented of all that, and God knows it. Now you know it, too.


“For this reason, I say to you that all sin and blasphemy a person does will be forgiven of that person, but blasphemy against the Spirit will not be forgiven. That person is guilty of an eternal sin.

“Whoever speaks against the Son of Man shall be forgiven, but whoever speaks against the Holy Spirit—the Spirit of Truth—will never be forgiven, not now and not in the future.”
(VGJC 14:28-29)

If you ridicule me, no problem. If you ridicule the Spirit that guides me, you're screwed. But don't worry, you won't care about that until you get to hell. Evil_monster
I'm not attacking you personally but was trying to point out that according to the bible you are stuck with us. However you wrote your own bible and fixed that little problem. Touche sir.

Now to threaten me with hell is like me threatening you with with reincarnation, bad karma, or an eternity of eating cheese wiz.

Also it's a form of pascals wager failure.

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24-01-2013, 11:57 PM
 
RE: How to become a Veridican--what do you think?
(24-01-2013 08:34 PM)fstratzero Wrote:  I'm not attacking you personally but was trying to point out that according to the bible you are stuck with us. However you wrote your own bible and fixed that little problem. Touche sir.

Now to threaten me with hell is like me threatening you with with reincarnation, bad karma, or an eternity of eating cheese wiz.

Also it's a form of pascals wager failure.

I'm not threatening you with hell, you're diving into it headlong. I'm trying to save you is all. Drag you into the light as it were. Dodgy
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25-01-2013, 12:04 AM
 
RE: How to become a Veridican--what do you think?
Pascal's Wager makes a very good point: What is your life for? At the meat of things, that's all he's trying to get you to ponder. What is your life for? How you answer that determines whether or not you're worth listening to.
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25-01-2013, 12:23 AM
RE: How to become a Veridican--what do you think?
I don't see how you get "What is your life for?" out of "Hedge your bets."

What's your life about Egor? Are you going to devote your entire life to hedging your bet, getting in good with the big man upstairs, so that after your life is over you get another one with more cake? Is that what your life is for? What if you're wrong? You'll have squandered your life, and you'll die not having experienced all that life can offer. Congratulations. You've lost.

What if I'm wrong, and there is a god? I still get to go to heaven. The Wiccans say so. I'll get to frolic in the Summerlands with all the other souls until I'm reborn. Duh. So I have nothing to lose.

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