How would you argue with a presuppositionalist?
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18-02-2014, 02:54 PM
How would you argue with a presuppositionalist?
I watched this last night ._. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoBUdwfQFX4
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18-02-2014, 03:01 PM
RE: How would you argue with a presuppositionalist?
His fundamental assumption (at 3:05) is that "[one] must know that gawd exists in order to account for rationality".

Can you not knock huge holes in that? Think about it...

It's Special Pleadings all the way down!


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18-02-2014, 03:02 PM
RE: How would you argue with a presuppositionalist?
(18-02-2014 02:54 PM)thedudette Wrote:  I watched this last night ._. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoBUdwfQFX4

You don't. Someone with their head that far up their ass is impossible to reason with so you counter their batshit claims only insofar as there are people watching. If there is no audience there is no point.

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18-02-2014, 03:03 PM
RE: How would you argue with a presuppositionalist?
I would not.
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18-02-2014, 03:11 PM
RE: How would you argue with a presuppositionalist?
(18-02-2014 03:01 PM)Taqiyya Mockingbird Wrote:  His fundamental assumption (at 3:05) is that "[one] must know that gawd exists in order to account for rationality".

Can you not knock huge holes in that? Think about it...

Don't you know that gawd has written it on our hearts and that it's impossible not to believe in god and that we are just denying it because we want to continue our hedonistic revelry.
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18-02-2014, 03:14 PM
RE: How would you argue with a presuppositionalist?
(18-02-2014 02:54 PM)thedudette Wrote:  I watched this last night ._. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YoBUdwfQFX4

Presuppositionalists are unarguable. Not because they have good arguments, oh heavens no. It's because they, by necessity of their chosen position are mentally about as dense as Earth; they will never recognise that a point was brought against them in any way past attempted rebuttals.

Presups are bet simply avoided because of the fact tat they have backed themselves so far into the corner that they can't do anything but rationalise and do it hard. It's best to go after non-presups who are sane and nowhere near so bent in their thinking.

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18-02-2014, 03:15 PM
RE: How would you argue with a presuppositionalist?
I thought that was the Flying Spaghetti Monster.

It's Special Pleadings all the way down!


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18-02-2014, 03:32 PM
RE: How would you argue with a presuppositionalist?
Sye Ten Brugenacte could be the most annoying apologist there is, ever.

Start here with some good refutations -

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Sye_Ten_Bru..._reasoning

There are more on YT. Just google 'refuting sye ten brugencate" or something similar.
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18-02-2014, 03:46 PM
RE: How would you argue with a presuppositionalist?



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18-02-2014, 05:44 PM
RE: How would you argue with a presuppositionalist?
Presuppositionalism:
Part I:
1. If there exists a "prime" reference frame, a "true reality" and
2. If there exists a being occupying that prime reality and
3. If there that being is able to communicate to us in our reality and
4. If that being has some kind of absolute true knowledge in every reference frame, and
5. If that being is entirely honest, then
6. We can have absolute knowledge grounded in "true reality".

Yeah: If.

Part II:
1. Logic exists
2. Logic is an expression of true reality
3. Therefore parts I.1 to I.6 are true.

II.2 is debatable, and II.3 assumes that there is no other way to have or to access true reality other than this long Part I chain of unfounded assumptions. Then there is the forever present additional assumption:
Part III:
1. That being in Part I is my god.

Part III.1 might be the easiest to actually refute. All you need is one instance of dishonesty or imperfect knowledge to reject a particular god-beast as complying with the assumptions in Part I.

Give me your argument in the form of a published paper, and then we can start to talk.
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