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06-03-2013, 03:57 AM
RE: Hugo Chavez dead?
(06-03-2013 03:52 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  I think you'll find the whole area (SA) has similar results. I know brazil does.
To base it solely down to this clown is a lie.

It has to do with the growing globalization in SA and these countries ability to exploit their natural resources and sell off shore.

... and to protect their interests from exploitation and Agency-lead coups by the great capitalist Devil to the North.

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06-03-2013, 06:49 AM
RE: Hugo Chavez dead?
(06-03-2013 12:02 AM)Filox Wrote:  How interesting, I am sure that you who did not love him or his politics are from USA.

RIP Hugo. Viva La Revolucion.

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He was a socialist and a dictator. Just like President Obama is a Marxist/Socialist/want to be dictator. Yes I'm an American and damn proud of it. And no I didn't vote for Obama either time. And if he died tomorrow I would jump for joy. Sounds horrible I know but I hate the man and his wife. And I didn't think I would hate any woman more than I hated Hilary. And that's my story and I'm stickin to it. And you don't have to like it.

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06-03-2013, 07:28 AM (This post was last modified: 06-03-2013 07:40 AM by Full Circle.)
RE: Hugo Chavez dead?
(06-03-2013 03:28 AM)DLJ Wrote:  Percentage of people and households with income below national poverty line:
1997 - 54.5%
Chavez elected in 1998
2011 - 33.2%


Just like in Cuba fifty+ years ago the pupulist uprising against the Plutocracy was easy to foretell. Those with power and wealth kept/stole the vast majority of it. In the case of Venezuela this was oil money. I wrote in another thread that in the three years I lived there, 1998-2000, I never once saw a public works program (roads, hospitals, schools, fire stations, sewage etc). The vast population suffered because of this. For instance we had to enroll in Ambulance Service! In other words unless you paid to have ambulance service and had a sticker on your car or a card in your wallet that said you did NO ambulance would take you to a hospital! There was no postal service and you could not pay any utility bills online. A Fourth-world country sitting on billions in oil because of graft and greed.

Chavez comes to power and he swings the pendulum all the way to socialism, nationalizing private companies both domestic AND foreign. Declaring "unused" private lands public, declaring second homes and partially completed condominiums the property of the State. He sent his cronies into private schools and put them in charge. He shut down all dissenting public radio and TV stations along with newspapers. Outflow of money became a problem so that was curtailed, inflation skyrocketed and the valuation of the local currency plummeted.

Did those in power before him bring it unto themselves? Yes.
Was what Chavez do once in power good for the State and the people? Depends on who you ask.

So, do the numbers above seem like progress was made? At first glance yes. But at what cost? The country is still in shambles.

*At the time I arrived the US Dollar was equal to 640 Bolivares. Three years later it was 1800:1
By 2007 the government had to ceate a new currency 1000 times stronger than the previous and now the black market rate is 6.8:1 - this means that inflation, if I'm doing the math right, has been 1000% since 2000! The Venezuelan people are suffering greatly because of this.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venezuelan_bol%C3%ADvar

http://www.businessinsider.com/venezuela...ion-2013-2

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06-03-2013, 07:30 AM (This post was last modified: 06-03-2013 07:39 AM by Full Circle.)
RE: Hugo Chavez dead?
(06-03-2013 12:02 AM)Filox Wrote:  How interesting, I am sure that you who did not love him or his politics are from USA.

RIP Hugo. Viva La Revolucion.

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I am modifiying this post for civility's sake. Have you lived there or have friends who do?
The revolution took the country from one crappy government to another.

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06-03-2013, 08:42 AM (This post was last modified: 06-03-2013 09:43 AM by Julius.)
RE: Hugo Chavez dead?
(06-03-2013 07:30 AM)Full Circle Wrote:  The revolution took the country from one crappy government to another.
Nevertheless, the Revolution freed Venezuela of US influence. Venezuela might have a crappy government - but it's their government and everyone know it. As a result, the US can't stand it. The US can't stand it that there is a bannana republic it can not control and dominate. US business is upset that they can not corrupt Venezuela's finance system and bring it to a state of perpetual debt.

Venezuela will no longer be a political and financial puppet of the United States - and so will a lot of other Latin-American states.
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06-03-2013, 10:09 AM
RE: Hugo Chavez dead?
(06-03-2013 08:42 AM)Julius Wrote:  
(06-03-2013 07:30 AM)Full Circle Wrote:  The revolution took the country from one crappy government to another.
Nevertheless, the Revolution freed Venezuela of US influence. Venezuela might have a crappy government - but it's their government and everyone know it. As a result, the US can't stand it. The US can't stand it that there is a bannana republic it can not control and dominate. US business is upset that they can not corrupt Venezuela's finance system and bring it to a state of perpetual debt.

Venezuela will no longer be a political and financial puppet of the United States - and so will a lot of other Latin-American states.


Forget what the US wants or doesn't want. What the Venezuelan people need is a government of the people, by the people and FOR the people.

BTW the Venezuelans didn't need the US to corrupt it, they did a great job all on their own.

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06-03-2013, 10:29 AM
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"What the Venezuelan people need is a government of the people, by the people and FOR the people. "

Yeah. But the problem is... those don't exist. Wink

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06-03-2013, 06:33 PM
RE: Hugo Chavez dead?
(06-03-2013 03:57 AM)DLJ Wrote:  
(06-03-2013 03:52 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  I think you'll find the whole area (SA) has similar results. I know brazil does.
To base it solely down to this clown is a lie.

It has to do with the growing globalization in SA and these countries ability to exploit their natural resources and sell off shore.

... and to protect their interests from exploitation and Agency-lead coups by the great capitalist Devil to the North.
Who do you think buys all their resources/products? NA, EU and China. The three biggest capitalist markets.

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08-03-2013, 06:27 AM
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You people are funny, indeed. So, from what I hear in this thread, Obama is Marxist and a socialist? Hmmm... Yeah, thats the spirit, now I am convinced that you are intelligent person who knows what he is talking about and you know that because you know what socialism is, because you lived there? Yes, yes...

As for the rest of you, is it bad in Venezuela? Sure it is, but I would give both my balls and both my hands if only one of Croatian politicians were to have BALLS big enough to say FUCK NO to USA and EU and to reclaim back what is ours. So for only that one particular reason, Chavez was a great man.

You can not understand that, because you live in countries like USA and UK and you like the power your countries have. In fact, you thrive and enjoy all that power, without even knowing where that power comes from and who is suffering for it.

Every story has 2 sides, never forget that.

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08-03-2013, 06:58 AM
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"You can not understand that, because you live in countries like USA and UK and you like the power your countries have."

You're making hasty generalizations. I do understand it, I do live in the US and I don't like the power the US and EU governments exert. I also understand that a man who donates to charity and helps old ladies cross the street but who also goes home and beats his wife and kids, is not a good man. Chaves was a despot in a poor country but make no mistake, had he been able to brandish the resources Barack Obama has at his disposal, the two would be indistinguishable.

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