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14-03-2013, 08:44 PM
RE: Hugo Chavez dead?
I admire Hugo Chavez for a lot of things, yet he was as crazy as a shit-house rat about a few things. For example, he did well to make the deal with Cuba to trade Oil for Medical Doctors, but he did not have to embrace Fidel as a fellow Freedom Fighter. I mean, Chavez could be a bit of a tyrant, and I understand why he needed to be in the beginning, but he never went as far as Cuba was willing to go and never would.

The same for Iran. Venezuela might trade some valuable things with Iran, but Hugo didn't need to accept the President of Iran as some kind of life-long buddy and brother. Although, I do credit the President of Iran for hugging Hugo's mom after the funeral and taking a lot of heat for it from the Ayatollahs back home in Iran. It showed me that the President of Iran does indeed have a soul that transcends even the grossest stupidity. It's a faint glimmer of hope.

However...I really have a hard time faulting Hugo overall. I mean he helped win his countries sovereignty and keep it. From there, better things can happen.

Let's hope the Venezuelan people and government show the better part of their natures and help make better things happen.

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14-03-2013, 08:47 PM
RE: Hugo Chavez dead?
(14-03-2013 08:27 PM)I and I Wrote:  
(14-03-2013 07:39 PM)Tartarus Sauce Wrote:  You know the drill: if they don't wear tinfoil hats, they aren't trusted sources for I and I.

Of course, people who don't trust corporate/state ran media are crazy.

So you are one of those fuck wads who still believe the media/government on husseins supposed WMD possession.
But... if it was a communist government and a state owned media... well then, everything it said would be true. Tongue

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14-03-2013, 08:51 PM
RE: Hugo Chavez dead?
(14-03-2013 08:47 PM)bbeljefe Wrote:  
(14-03-2013 08:27 PM)I and I Wrote:  Of course, people who don't trust corporate/state ran media are crazy.

So you are one of those fuck wads who still believe the media/government on husseins supposed WMD possession.
But... if it was a communist government and a state owned media... well then, everything it said would be true. Tongue

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14-03-2013, 08:54 PM
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(14-03-2013 08:44 PM)Julius Wrote:  Chavez could be a bit of a tyrant, and I understand why he needed to be in the beginning, but he never went as far as Cuba was willing to go and never would.
(14-03-2013 08:44 PM)Julius Wrote:  However...I really have a hard time faulting Hugo overall. I mean he helped win his countries sovereignty and keep it. From there, better things can happen.
As for the first statement you can't know that, just your opinion, he certainly was following Fidel's playbook.
As for the second Venezuela was already sovereign.

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14-03-2013, 09:15 PM
RE: Hugo Chavez dead?
(14-03-2013 08:47 PM)bbeljefe Wrote:  
(14-03-2013 08:27 PM)I and I Wrote:  Of course, people who don't trust corporate/state ran media are crazy.

So you are one of those fuck wads who still believe the media/government on husseins supposed WMD possession.
But... if it was a communist government and a state owned media... well then, everything it said would be true. Tongue
One of the very first things he did was interfere with the press, radio and TV...just like Castro did. Journalists were threatened, arrested and many left the country. Radio stations were closed and TV programing was forced to live broadcast El Presidente for hours at a time, you have no idea just what a clown this guy was on TV.

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14-03-2013, 09:18 PM
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(14-03-2013 09:15 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  
(14-03-2013 08:47 PM)bbeljefe Wrote:  But... if it was a communist government and a state owned media... well then, everything it said would be true. Tongue
One of the very first things he did was interfere with the press, radio and TV...just like Castro did. Journalists were threatened, arrested and many left the country. Radio stations were closed and TV programing was forced to live broadcast El Presidente for hours at a time, you have no idea just what a clown this guy was on TV.
Oh that's just capitalist/Western propaganda. Being anti-US or self-proclaimed communist/socialist automatically bestows one with a quality of indisputable truth and selfless intentions, didn't you know? Tongue

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14-03-2013, 09:21 PM
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(14-03-2013 09:18 PM)Tartarus Sauce Wrote:  
(14-03-2013 09:15 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  One of the very first things he did was interfere with the press, radio and TV...just like Castro did. Journalists were threatened, arrested and many left the country. Radio stations were closed and TV programing was forced to live broadcast El Presidente for hours at a time, you have no idea just what a clown this guy was on TV.
Oh that's just capitalist/Western propaganda. Being anti-US or self-proclaimed communist/socialist automatically bestows one with a quality of indisputable truth and selfless intentions, didn't you know? Tongue
Thanks for clearing that up for me Mr. Cat Thumbsup

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14-03-2013, 09:21 PM
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(14-03-2013 09:15 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  
(14-03-2013 08:47 PM)bbeljefe Wrote:  But... if it was a communist government and a state owned media... well then, everything it said would be true. Tongue
One of the very first things he did was interfere with the press, radio and TV...just like Castro did. Journalists were threatened, arrested and many left the country. Radio stations were closed and TV programing was forced to live broadcast El Presidente for hours at a time, you have no idea just what a clown this guy was on TV.
No, I do. He was indeed a clown. Of course, as we can see above, petty acts of kindness or joviality on television serve the sociopaths who rule us well.

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14-03-2013, 09:22 PM
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(14-03-2013 08:54 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  As for the second Venezuela was already sovereign.
Really...Venezuela was Sovereign?

I grew up raised by parents from a generation that loathed debt, for they were raised during the Great Depression. The #1 thing they taught me was this: when you are in serious debt, your life is no longer your own - it belongs to someone else. A sa result, when I see people trying to put countries such as Iceland and Greece into perpetual debt, I also recognize that this is a breach of Sovereignty.

Venezuela has the political will and power to avoid the debt-capture system: unlike the United States.

From one debt slave to another. Good Luck.
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14-03-2013, 09:25 PM
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(14-03-2013 09:22 PM)Julius Wrote:  
(14-03-2013 08:54 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  As for the second Venezuela was already sovereign.
Really...Venezuela was Sovereign?

I grew up raised by parents from a generation that loathed debt, for they were raised during the Great Depression. The #1 thing they taught me was this: when you are in serious debt, your life is no longer your own - it belongs to someone else. A sa result, when I see people trying to put countries such as Iceland and Greece into perpetual debt, I also recognize that this is a breach of Sovereignty.

Venezuela has the political will and power to avoid the debt-capture system: unlike the United States.

From one debt slave to another. Good Luck.


Sovereignty refers to political independence. You could say Venezuela was indebted but not that it wasn't sovereign.

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