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15-03-2013, 05:47 PM
Hugo Chavez dead?
(14-03-2013 09:18 PM)Tartarus Sauce Wrote:  
(14-03-2013 09:15 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  One of the very first things he did was interfere with the press, radio and TV...just like Castro did. Journalists were threatened, arrested and many left the country. Radio stations were closed and TV programing was forced to live broadcast El Presidente for hours at a time, you have no idea just what a clown this guy was on TV.
Oh that's just capitalist/Western propaganda. Being anti-US or self-proclaimed communist/socialist automatically bestows one with a quality of indisputable truth and selfless intentions, didn't you know? :P

Damn, you guys really are dumber than shit.

Hey dumbfucks, as soon as bush got into office the u.s. attempted to organize a coup against Chavez, this coup also had many players including the media in Venezuela that worked with and colluded with the u.s.

What did Chavez do to the media outlets that worked with a foreign government to overthrow him?

Mass arrests? Torture? Severe repression? Nope.

He waited for their public broadcasting licenses ran out then refused to renew them. These same media outlets can still legally operate in paid cable and radio.


Would the Guantanamo drone u.s. be so lenient?

All you "free thinkers". (Bwahahaha) know how to do is slurp up cum from state/corporate owned u.s. media.
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15-03-2013, 05:50 PM
Hugo Chavez dead?
I love how full circle comments that one of the first thing he did was try to shit down media, totally skipping over the whole attempted coup part. What a douche bag of historical revisionism.
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15-03-2013, 06:24 PM
RE: Hugo Chavez dead?
(15-03-2013 05:50 PM)I and I Wrote:  I love how full circle comments that one of the first thing he did was try to shit down media, totally skipping over the whole attempted coup part. What a douche bag of historical revisionism.


One thing does not preclude the other.


Why all the ad hominem douchebaggery?

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15-03-2013, 09:34 PM
Hugo Chavez dead?
(15-03-2013 06:24 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  
(15-03-2013 05:50 PM)I and I Wrote:  I love how full circle comments that one of the first thing he did was try to shit down media, totally skipping over the whole attempted coup part. What a douche bag of historical revisionism.


One thing does not preclude the other.


Why all the ad hominem douchebaggery?

You lied about Chavez shutting down media and you left out the part about those mediA that didnt get their license renewed were in collusion with a foreign government in a coup attempt.


Either you you didn't know this and were just parroting what you heard about Chavez or you did know this and were leaving out things like the coup attempt in order to paint a false picture. Which was it?
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16-03-2013, 07:18 PM (This post was last modified: 16-03-2013 07:21 PM by Full Circle.)
RE: Hugo Chavez dead?
(15-03-2013 09:34 PM)I and I Wrote:  
(15-03-2013 06:24 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  One thing does not preclude the other.


Why all the ad hominem douchebaggery?

You lied about Chavez shutting down media and you left out the part about those mediA that didnt get their license renewed were in collusion with a foreign government in a coup attempt.


Either you you didn't know this and were just parroting what you heard about Chavez or you did know this and were leaving out things like the coup attempt in order to paint a false picture. Which was it?
Some media was, for all intents and purposes, shut down when journalists were threatened, arrested and many left the country (those in opposition). Unless this was all a convoluted ruse I believe what I heard, read and saw in real time as it happened. I lived through the changes as they happened. You may have also missed my post that warned that it is best to avoid allowing the pendulum to swing too far to either side (plutocracy or socialism).

As for the local media being in collusion with a foreign government I didn't comment because I don't have any such knowledge, then or now. Does it surprise me? No. Enough reports have come to light that the US backed the coup attempt in 2002, I had left by then for security reasons.

It is my belief that Chavez came to power for the same reasons Castro did. A greedy plutocracy raped the country's wealth and did nothing for the people thus embittering the populace. (I also wrote that I didn't see a single publics work project during the years I lived there). Chavez then dismatled, piece by piece, his own country's constitution and power distribution starting with the judicial branch so he could remain in power.

I am neither trying to obfuscate or mislead with the observations I made a decade ago. You have every right to paint a more complete picture with additional information and discuss and argue those points on this thread. What I find counterproductive is the vileness of your personal attacks.

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16-03-2013, 08:49 PM
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You purposely left out the whole coup attempt and the medias role in fostering a foreign backed coup attempt.


Name one country in which this is legal.


That's what I thought....
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16-03-2013, 08:52 PM (This post was last modified: 16-03-2013 08:56 PM by I and I.)
Hugo Chavez dead?
(16-03-2013 07:18 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  
(15-03-2013 09:34 PM)I and I Wrote:  You lied about Chavez shutting down media and you left out the part about those mediA that didnt get their license renewed were in collusion with a foreign government in a coup attempt.

And there were no media outlets shut down, their pubic broadcasting license was not renewed and these same media can still operate on cable and radio stations. Name a media outlet that was shit down.....



Either you you didn't know this and were just parroting what you heard about Chavez or you did know this and were leaving out things like the coup attempt in order to paint a false picture. Which was it?
Some media was, for all intents and purposes, shut down when journalists were threatened, arrested and many left the country (those in opposition). Unless this was all a convoluted ruse I believe what I heard, read and saw in real time as it happened. I lived through the changes as they happened. You may have also missed my post that warned that it is best to avoid allowing the pendulum to swing too far to either side (plutocracy or socialism).

As for the local media being in collusion with a foreign government I didn't comment because I don't have any such knowledge, then or now. Does it surprise me? No. Enough reports have come to light that the US backed the coup attempt in 2002, I had left by then for security reasons.

It is my belief that Chavez came to power for the same reasons Castro did. A greedy plutocracy raped the country's wealth and did nothing for the people thus embittering the populace. (I also wrote that I didn't see a single publics work project during the years I lived there). Chavez then dismatled, piece by piece, his own country's constitution and power distribution starting with the judicial branch so he could remain in power.

I am neither trying to obfuscate or mislead with the observations I made a decade ago. You have every right to paint a more complete picture with additional information and discuss and argue those points on this thread. What I find counterproductive is the vileness of your personal attacks.

You stated that he dismantled the constitution to stay in power....are you implying that the majority of Venezuelans didnt vote for Chavez and that his election was a fraud?
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16-03-2013, 08:57 PM
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(16-03-2013 07:18 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  
(15-03-2013 09:34 PM)I and I Wrote:  You lied about Chavez shutting down media and you left out the part about those mediA that didnt get their license renewed were in collusion with a foreign government in a coup attempt.


Either you you didn't know this and were just parroting what you heard about Chavez or you did know this and were leaving out things like the coup attempt in order to paint a false picture. Which was it?
Some media was, for all intents and purposes, shut down when journalists were threatened, arrested and many left the country (those in opposition). Unless this was all a convoluted ruse I believe what I heard, read and saw in real time as it happened. I lived through the changes as they happened. You may have also missed my post that warned that it is best to avoid allowing the pendulum to swing too far to either side (plutocracy or socialism).

As for the local media being in collusion with a foreign government I didn't comment because I don't have any such knowledge, then or now. Does it surprise me? No. Enough reports have come to light that the US backed the coup attempt in 2002, I had left by then for security reasons.

It is my belief that Chavez came to power for the same reasons Castro did. A greedy plutocracy raped the country's wealth and did nothing for the people thus embittering the populace. (I also wrote that I didn't see a single publics work project during the years I lived there). Chavez then dismatled, piece by piece, his own country's constitution and power distribution starting with the judicial branch so he could remain in power.

I am neither trying to obfuscate or mislead with the observations I made a decade ago. You have every right to paint a more complete picture with additional information and discuss and argue those points on this thread. What I find counterproductive is the vileness of your personal attacks.
Um...

IandI: "You purposely left out the whole coup attempt and the medias role in fostering a foreign backed coup attempt."


See... you did do that. There's proof of your conspiracy. ↑ Laughat

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16-03-2013, 09:10 PM
RE: Hugo Chavez dead?
(16-03-2013 08:49 PM)I and I Wrote:  You purposely left out the whole coup attempt and the medias role in fostering a foreign backed coup attempt.


Name one country in which this is legal.


That's what I thought....
Dude, either you aren't reading what I'm writing or you aren't comprehending...which is it?

Yeah, that's what I thought...

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16-03-2013, 09:11 PM
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(16-03-2013 08:52 PM)I and I Wrote:  
(16-03-2013 07:18 PM)Full Circle Wrote:  Some media was, for all intents and purposes, shut down when journalists were threatened, arrested and many left the country (those in opposition). Unless this was all a convoluted ruse I believe what I heard, read and saw in real time as it happened. I lived through the changes as they happened. You may have also missed my post that warned that it is best to avoid allowing the pendulum to swing too far to either side (plutocracy or socialism).

As for the local media being in collusion with a foreign government I didn't comment because I don't have any such knowledge, then or now. Does it surprise me? No. Enough reports have come to light that the US backed the coup attempt in 2002, I had left by then for security reasons.

It is my belief that Chavez came to power for the same reasons Castro did. A greedy plutocracy raped the country's wealth and did nothing for the people thus embittering the populace. (I also wrote that I didn't see a single publics work project during the years I lived there). Chavez then dismatled, piece by piece, his own country's constitution and power distribution starting with the judicial branch so he could remain in power.

I am neither trying to obfuscate or mislead with the observations I made a decade ago. You have every right to paint a more complete picture with additional information and discuss and argue those points on this thread. What I find counterproductive is the vileness of your personal attacks.

You stated that he dismantled the constitution to stay in power....are you implying that the majority of Venezuelans didnt vote for Chavez and that his election was a fraud?
No. Once he was elected he then dismantled the Venezuelan Constitution.

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