Human Chimp-Pig Hybrid Theory
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01-08-2013, 06:30 PM
RE: Human Chimp-Pig Hybrid Theory
(01-08-2013 03:55 PM)FSM_scot Wrote:  
(01-08-2013 03:12 PM)Cycle Wrote:  Uhm...no? It's just your jurisdiction that this claim is extraordinary. Also, any evidence is a fact, that doesn't care if you think it's extraordinary. Science doesn't work that way, people's beliefs do.

What if the evidence is fake or purely circumstantial? Its not fact then.

The DNA evidence already tells us this idea is not the least bit likely.
This wouldn't be the first scientist to get a bee in his bonnet.

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01-08-2013, 06:37 PM
RE: Human Chimp-Pig Hybrid Theory
(01-08-2013 03:12 PM)Cycle Wrote:  
(30-07-2013 07:02 AM)Chas Wrote:  Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.

Uhm...no? It's just your jurisdiction that this claim is extraordinary. Also, any evidence is a fact, that doesn't care if you think it's extraordinary. Science doesn't work that way, people's beliefs do.

This is a bunch of speculation. Studies of relatedness of various species already place pigs rather far from apes. So there would need to be evidence extraordinary enough to overturn the existing evidence.

For instance, see Dawkins's The Greatest Show on Earth, Chapter 10 The Tree of Cousinship for protein and DNA evidence.

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01-08-2013, 06:37 PM
RE: Human Chimp-Pig Hybrid Theory
(01-08-2013 03:12 PM)Cycle Wrote:  Uhm...no? It's just your jurisdiction that this claim is extraordinary. Also, any evidence is a fact, that doesn't care if you think it's extraordinary. Science doesn't work that way, people's beliefs do.

Bro, do you even read? We covered this upthread.

(30-07-2013 08:10 AM)cjlr Wrote:  
(30-07-2013 07:40 AM)DeepThought Wrote:  Not enough is known about hybridization to rule out this hypothesis. You can be skeptical but you can't disprove it without countering the evidence provided.

All known cases of hybridization occur between extremely closely related individuals. Humans and pigs descend from lineages whose last common ancestor was during the Cretaceous.

The pigs which coexisted with our ancestors in East Africa were not the ancestors of modern 'pig' pigs (genus Sus), but bushpigs and warthogs. I don't know off the top of my head but I doubt all of the very specific morphological similarities in question are found in those different species.

There is no genetic evidence mentioned here.

No human/non-human sexual encounter has ever resulted in offspring (and that's not even a small dataset to consider).
(30-07-2013 08:21 AM)cjlr Wrote:  
(30-07-2013 07:51 AM)DeepThought Wrote:  I'm gonna start bonobo-pig and chimp-pig orgy experimentation right away...

I heard those bonobo's are horny bastards... They will fuck anything that moves.

Sounds familiar. Consider

Modern humans have provably interbred with neanderthals, and plausibly with several other homo species.

Apes are no more related to pigs than humans are, but, good luck with that.

(30-07-2013 07:51 AM)DeepThought Wrote:  Allot of people assume hybrids are sterile, the males usually are, but females can quite often be fertile. The mule is a fairly unique case as far as hybrids go.
When you back cross you can stabilize the hybrid such that their males become fertile again and the hybrid becomes self sustaining..

A mule is a hybridization between species within the same genus (equus). Horses and donkeys reliably produce infertile offspring (and the very occasional fertile offspring). Zebras, only a tiny bit less closely related, can interbreed with them as well (much more rarely). These are species which are within the same genus - they diverged during the Miocene.

Of the tens of millions of mules bred by humans there are perhaps dozens of verifiable accounts of fertility. This is an extraordinarily low frequency.

Human/pig hybrids - assuming such a thing is even possible, which is a wild leap, but sure, we'll roll with it - would necessarily be even less likely to be fertile.

Given the rather small populations of ancestral hominids, gene transfer from pigs would have resulted in fertile individuals in only a literal handful of cases. We are not talking of a deliberate large-scale breeding effort (like mules!), we are talking chance encounters between vastly different species. The sample size would be tiny and the success rate magnitudes smaller still. The human population bottleneck is small, but it isn't that small.

And that is leaving aside all the other reasons this is a whackjob idea.

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03-08-2013, 06:24 AM
RE: Human Chimp-Pig Hybrid Theory
Speaking of hybrids...

http://www.lifestyle343.blogspot.com/201...-baby.html

...I wuz like, "ewww," but I thought of this thread. Thumbsup

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03-08-2013, 07:34 AM
RE: Human Chimp-Pig Hybrid Theory
I killed all the pigman...

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13-08-2013, 03:06 PM
RE: Human Chimp-Pig Hybrid Theory
Hi, I approved your post. You shouldn't have any trouble from this point on.

The PM you got does mention your first post on the site needs moderator approval to filter out the spam bots.

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13-08-2013, 03:11 PM
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DeepThought: Am I to understand that the most vocal critic of my theory on this website is also to be the moderator who must approve my posts before they can be posted? I hope that's not the case... :)
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13-08-2013, 03:17 PM
RE: Human Chimp-Pig Hybrid Theory
DeepThought: Sorry. I confused you with someone else. I take it back.
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13-08-2013, 03:22 PM
RE: Human Chimp-Pig Hybrid Theory
(13-08-2013 03:11 PM)koolokamba Wrote:  DeepThought: Am I to understand that the most vocal critic of my theory on this website is also to be the moderator who must approve my posts before they can be posted? I hope that's not the case... Smile

I'm the one that started this thread, and here we have freedom of speech - for the most part. Just don't post porn or links to sell a book or product or something. We encourage the free exchange of ideas even if a moderator doesn't agree with a poster.

After your first post, future posts don't require moderator approval.

(13-08-2013 03:17 PM)koolokamba Wrote:  DeepThought: Sorry. I confused you with someone else. I take it back.

No worries.

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13-08-2013, 03:23 PM
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Don't worry, posts aren't filtered, only the first one must be approved, it is to avoid bots. You've been deemed human, now you can post freely... do it responsibly.

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