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22-01-2017, 07:29 PM
Humanity and life on this planet - The point of no return.
A simple question. What signs would you see, or believe, as bringing society, humanity and potentially all life on the planet, as past the point of no return, irreversible damage and ultimately collapse.

This could be the ecosystem, society worldwide, economic or whatever comes to mind.

What would you consider to be the breaking points? Is it inevitable or do you think the resilience and adaptivity of humans could see us continue, maybe not on this planet but others.

Pollution, climate change, extinction of species, the death of marine life in the oceans, a nuclear exchange?

How long do you think we can continue on our current course?

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22-01-2017, 07:51 PM
RE: Humanity and life on this planet - The point of no return.
We've already passed it. Over-population. Environmental devastation. Sixth mass extinction. Polluted water supplies. Irreparable social fragmentation. Out of control technology.

It obviously happens to every alien species that reaches a certain point or we would have witnessed evidence of their existence.

We probably have somewhere between 2 and 15 years left.

I feel like we've jumped out off a building and everyone around me is saying don't worry we'll never hit the ground.
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22-01-2017, 07:54 PM
RE: Humanity and life on this planet - The point of no return.
(22-01-2017 07:51 PM)ImFred Wrote:  We probably have somewhere between 2 and 15 years left.

Nah, we'll be fine. Just start building that fallout shelter, and stock up on oxygen tanks.

If we came from dust, then why is there still dust?
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22-01-2017, 11:13 PM
RE: Humanity and life on this planet - The point of no return.
Nuclear exchange is an obvious one for our society and likely our species. Life will likely carry on despite us.

Climate, ecology and sociology are all blurrier. Most of those likely have solutions though the implementation could be impressive.

Elelection 2016 conclusively answered the Fermi paradox. What self-respecting space-faring race is going to want to contact that?!?

All in all I don't expect it all to end in a collapse. We are one of a long chain of complex behaviours, each one emerging from the one below and each step incapable of understanding the steps above. Some entertaining science fiction has been written on the topic but I doubt that anybody has a real clue about what's going to happen next.

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22-01-2017, 11:19 PM
RE: Humanity and life on this planet - The point of no return.
Mankind is a wicked beast with a penchant for survival. Look how close to the surface the violence still is. We'll be around for many millennia, for all that's worth.
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22-01-2017, 11:27 PM
RE: Humanity and life on this planet - The point of no return.
I expect we have gone past the tipping point on climate change. There will be dire effects that are only now manifesting.
The North Polar cap is shrinking and will continue to do so, glaciers are melting at an accelerating rate, weather patterns are becoming increasingly chaotic.

I predict a sudden collapse of glaciers and ice sheets in the not too distant future with devastating effects on sea level which will alter ocean currents which will alter weather patterns.

It's going to cause famine and war.

The only positive thing will be being able to say "We fucking told you so" to the fuckhead science deniers who claim that anthropogenic climate change isn't a thing.

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22-01-2017, 11:44 PM
RE: Humanity and life on this planet - The point of no return.
If there's one thing I learned from thousands of years of literature, is people are fucked up.

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23-01-2017, 08:00 AM
RE: Humanity and life on this planet - The point of no return.
I think we are on that path already.
But I agree w/ Fireball - humans will be here for many, many more years. Granted, they won't be comfortable years...

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23-01-2017, 08:14 AM
RE: Humanity and life on this planet - The point of no return.
(22-01-2017 11:27 PM)Chas Wrote:  I expect we have gone past the tipping point on climate change. There will be dire effects that are only now manifesting.
The North Polar cap is shrinking and will continue to do so, glaciers are melting at an accelerating rate, weather patterns are becoming increasingly chaotic.

I predict a sudden collapse of glaciers and ice sheets in the not too distant future with devastating effects on sea level which will alter ocean currents which will alter weather patterns.

It's going to cause famine and war.

The only positive thing will be being able to say "We fucking told you so" to the fuckhead science deniers who claim that anthropogenic climate change isn't a thing.
THIS!!

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23-01-2017, 08:18 AM
RE: Humanity and life on this planet - The point of no return.
I wouldn't be surprised if Trump nuked Korea and/or the middle east.

That should change the course of things.

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