Humor: The case for the existence of hell
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12-03-2017, 04:06 AM
RE: Humor: The case for the existence of hell
I'm pretty sure you're right about that Evolutionkills, though I don't remember Zoroastrianism or any other prior religion making anything as elaborate a torture scene as "Dante's Inferno," Even with judgement Christians have for the most part been near unrivaled in their cruelty. And Yes I Include Islamic faiths in that analysis too. Lets face it, the "Abrahamic" faiths have all had a rather nasty streak in them from the beginning. Any faith based system resorts to violence, but few to the extent of the big 3 of monotheism.

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12-03-2017, 04:19 AM
RE: Humor: The case for the existence of hell
(12-03-2017 04:06 AM)JesseB Wrote:  I'm pretty sure you're right about that Evolutionkills, though I don't remember Zoroastrianism or any other prior religion making anything as elaborate a torture scene as "Dante's Inferno," Even with judgement Christians have for the most part been near unrivaled in their cruelty. And Yes I Include Islamic faiths in that analysis too. Lets face it, the "Abrahamic" faiths have all had a rather nasty streak in them from the beginning. Any faith based system resorts to violence, but few to the extent of the big 3 of monotheism.

That's probably because the modern conception of Hell (and Satan) owes more to Dante's Inferno and John Milton's Paradise Lost than it does to the Gospels or biblical tradition itself. The Hebrew had She'ol, the cavity under the Earth where the dead (both righteous and unrighteous) rested. The Greeks had their own underworld, presided over by Hades and other lesser beings, complete with it's own distinct geography dedicated to different functions with different admission standards (the river Styx, the fields of Elysium, the Asphodel Meadows, etc.). Of course Muhammad and Joseph Smith just borrowed from the Gospels for the building of their own takes on the idea.

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12-03-2017, 05:14 AM
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Agreed

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12-03-2017, 05:23 AM (This post was last modified: 12-03-2017 06:20 AM by Anjele.)
RE: Humor: The case for the existence of hell
(12-03-2017 03:56 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  with the dead having different destinations depending on their deeds in life.

Haha...reminds me of a conversation I had with my sister Thursday evening...

Our father hated cats...I mean HATED cats.

Dad's ashes currently are at my sister's house.

She has five cats (sometimes seven when her daughter goes on a trip). Two of these cats are geriatric with the issues that come with that. The newest rescue has had some UTI troubles lately and has had some accidents around the house that means the other cats think they can forego the many litter boxes in the house.

I was picturing the scene and laughed and said to her that if there is a personalized hell for everyone, Dad's in his. I told her he wasn't spinning in his grave but I bet his ashes are swirling around like a snow globe.

*For some who remember this...yes, dad was a veterinarian...but he still HATED cats.

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12-03-2017, 05:36 AM
RE: Humor: The case for the existence of hell
HAHA! That's the spirit Anjele. That's the fun kind of thinking I was going for Smile

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12-03-2017, 07:53 AM (This post was last modified: 12-03-2017 08:03 AM by jennybee.)
RE: Humor: The case for the existence of hell
(12-03-2017 04:06 AM)JesseB Wrote:  I'm pretty sure you're right about that Evolutionkills, though I don't remember Zoroastrianism or any other prior religion making anything as elaborate a torture scene as "Dante's Inferno," Even with judgement Christians have for the most part been near unrivaled in their cruelty. And Yes I Include Islamic faiths in that analysis too. Lets face it, the "Abrahamic" faiths have all had a rather nasty streak in them from the beginning. Any faith based system resorts to violence, but few to the extent of the big 3 of monotheism.

The Book of Arda Viraf (Zoroastrian text) mentions several punishments one can endure in hell. Punishments include eating all kinds of nasty things like corpses, menstrual blood, excrement, even eating the brains of their own children, dismemberment, mutilation, getting stretched on racks, starvation, getting turned into serpents, having eyes gouged out, and penises gnawed off. Demon-like animal creatures with horns also appear in this version of hell. Fire is sacred to the Zoroastrians and so it is employed only in hell by use of heated items like a hot cauldron used to pour on someone as punishment. (Eileen Gardiner, Zoroastrian Hell, 2006).

*Btw, Gardiner has an interesting website called Hell-On-Line.org where she writes about versions of hell in various religions.
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12-03-2017, 08:08 AM
RE: Humor: The case for the existence of hell
(12-03-2017 01:17 AM)JesseB Wrote:  This is not a troll, please relax and enjoy it for what it is. It's nothing more than a satire on reality at worst.

I consider this a fun existential mental game. It's likely for reasons like this, that most of my friends think I'm macabre and dark lol. This is not reflective of reality nor is it the sum total of my position or outlook on life or the world. I consider myself a reasonably happy person and not particularly depressed so any who get that vibe please understand that its totally ok to embrace the darker emotions (sadness, loss, emptiness). A complete human feels a complete range of emotions. If you're position is everyone must be happy all the time, and can never talk about seemingly dark topics, then I pity you. I suggest if that is the case you might want to protect yourself from what's below. For everyone else, please enjoy this fun crazy idea.


I have sad tidings everyone. You are all of you dead already, and this is hell. From the pope to the children he is forcing aids upon with his madness, from your parents to your religious neighbors. From the scientists who and free thinkers who say there is no god, to the politicians who are bent on destroying the world. All of us were born into hell already. There is no salvation, there is no happy ending for any of us, simply the delusions of those desperate to escape the punishment they've already earned. And the acceptance of those of us willing to embrace the nothingness that is our fate.

Imagine a world of magic and wonder, a world of Unicorns, wise and ancient mages who can summon fireballs from their fingers, immortal super men and women who can shrug off bullets and fire lasers from their eyes. Now come back to reality, look around you as you sit in your cubicle next to people you really don't care for that much. But let’s face it you need this job so smile and pretend to love your torture. Deep down inside you know it’s true, you know you were meant for more. Some desperately search for power and magic, praying to the gods in their head, begging for the world we are denied. Forced only to experience paradise through the windows of books. Clearly, you are in hell. What redemption is there from hell? our only possible salvation is to embrace the nothingness to be found in our death, no one will save any of us and deep down even the pope knows this.

Isn't this a more reasonable conclusion to draw on from reality than the idea that this is somehow a "test." After all what kind of sadist would test those he supposedly loves by tormenting them, giving them minds and emotions capable of so much, then giving them a world so restrictive and unfulfilling. Surely all the suffering in the world, if there is a god means we must then already be in hell. It's no wonder god never speaks to us for real, only through the delusional imaginings of the damned, our fellow prisoners. He's too busy in the real world with magic and wonder, leading them to paradise and adding to our torment by allowing us to glimpse that world through books and movies.

To me this silly story is just as valid as any religious belief out there.

Let me be clear, you're not dead or in hell. (Phew) At least there's no more evidence for that than there is for ANY gods. So relax and embrace the day! Congratulations for making it through my strange silly thoughts.


Thank you all for your time, I hope you enjoyed Smile

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12-03-2017, 09:25 AM
RE: Humor: The case for the existence of hell
If you don't believe in hell, that means you think murderers who don't get caught are awesome and you want to buy them ice-cream.

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12-03-2017, 09:58 AM
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I just don't think a real HELL should have any degree of pure heaven in it.No

So I'm pretty sure this isn't my hell. Consider
When one can have a legal dube', and then rest back for a legal BJ, there apparently is some pure heaven in that HELL. Smile

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12-03-2017, 10:05 AM
RE: Humor: The case for the existence of hell
(12-03-2017 01:17 AM)JesseB Wrote:  Isn't this a more reasonable conclusion to draw on from reality than the idea that this is somehow a "test." After all what kind of sadist would test those he supposedly loves by tormenting them, giving them minds and emotions capable of so much, then giving them a world so restrictive and unfulfilling.

That's because we just live in a petri dish, next to a million others, many of which are doing a lot better than us.

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