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01-06-2014, 07:32 AM
RE: I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist
(31-05-2014 01:26 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  maybe some can believe that a god just popped into existence literally without a cause and literally from nothing.

i cannot believe that. it is not rationally or intellectually defensible, nor is it scientific.

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Give me your argument in the form of a published paper, and then we can start to talk.
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01-06-2014, 07:32 AM
RE: I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist
(01-06-2014 07:29 AM)Mathilda Wrote:  
(01-06-2014 07:27 AM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  i am just saying that you have been given evidence God exists. what you do with it is up to you.

We have not been given any evidence that God exists.

ahh Mathilda my love, yes you have. and you are smart enough to know it.

if fact, you knew this before i ever came to this forum.

you know very well that this beautiful world we live in was created by a beautiful Creator.

somewhere along the line you have come to believe that it is just nothing more than an accident and this belief you know is simply not in accordance with rational inquiry, but irrational emotional objections to the implications of a Creator God.
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01-06-2014, 07:33 AM
RE: I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist
(01-06-2014 07:32 AM)Hafnof Wrote:  
(31-05-2014 01:26 PM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  maybe some can believe that a god just popped into existence literally without a cause and literally from nothing.

i cannot believe that. it is not rationally or intellectually defensible, nor is it scientific.

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God never began to exist so no, I do not have to believe He popped into existence uncaused from nothing.

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01-06-2014, 07:34 AM
RE: I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist
(01-06-2014 07:32 AM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  
(01-06-2014 07:29 AM)Mathilda Wrote:  We have not been given any evidence that God exists.

ahh Mathilda my love, yes you have. and you are smart enough to know it.

if fact, you knew this before i ever came to this forum.

you know very well that this beautiful world we live in was created by a beautiful Creator.

somewhere along the line you have come to believe that it is just nothing more than an accident and this belief you know is simply not in accordance with rational inquiry, but irrational emotional objections to the implications of a Creator God.

Beauty is subjective. You're making even less sense than usual.

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01-06-2014, 07:34 AM
RE: I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist
(01-06-2014 07:30 AM)diddo97 Wrote:  
(01-06-2014 07:27 AM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  well in a sense you are right. you can believe whatever you want. i am just saying that you have been given evidence God exists. what you do with it is up to you.

Evidence of the Christian God?

No.

Evidence of a Creator of the Universe.

Enough to make your switch from atheism to theism rationally justifiable.
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01-06-2014, 07:35 AM
RE: I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist
(01-06-2014 07:34 AM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  
(01-06-2014 07:30 AM)diddo97 Wrote:  Evidence of the Christian God?

No.

Evidence of a Creator of the Universe.

Enough to make your switch from atheism to deism rationally justifiable.

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01-06-2014, 07:36 AM
RE: I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist
(01-06-2014 07:34 AM)diddo97 Wrote:  
(01-06-2014 07:32 AM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  ahh Mathilda my love, yes you have. and you are smart enough to know it.

if fact, you knew this before i ever came to this forum.

you know very well that this beautiful world we live in was created by a beautiful Creator.

somewhere along the line you have come to believe that it is just nothing more than an accident and this belief you know is simply not in accordance with rational inquiry, but irrational emotional objections to the implications of a Creator God.

Beauty is subjective. You're making even less sense than usual.

i am appealing to her as a feeling, sensing, creature who has the capacity for making aesthetic judgments and whose reluctance to acknowledge God is based in emotion, not reason.
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01-06-2014, 07:37 AM
RE: I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist
(01-06-2014 07:33 AM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  
(01-06-2014 07:32 AM)Hafnof Wrote:  Fixed

God never began to exist so no, I do not have to believe He popped into existence uncaused from nothing.

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How do you know that the universe began to exist but "god" did not, and if not the Christian god then what god? And if not any specific god then why do you capitalize the G?

Also, I want to know what evidence I have been given and who have it to me?

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01-06-2014, 07:37 AM
RE: I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist
(01-06-2014 07:35 AM)diddo97 Wrote:  
(01-06-2014 07:34 AM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  No.

Evidence of a Creator of the Universe.

Enough to make your switch from atheism to deism rationally justifiable.

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deism falls under theism not vice versa.

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01-06-2014, 07:39 AM
RE: I Don't Have Enough Faith to Be an Atheist
(01-06-2014 07:32 AM)Jeremy E Walker Wrote:  
(01-06-2014 07:29 AM)Mathilda Wrote:  We have not been given any evidence that God exists.

ahh Mathilda my love, yes you have. and you are smart enough to know it.

if fact, you knew this before i ever came to this forum.

you know very well that this beautiful world we live in was created by a beautiful Creator.

somewhere along the line you have come to believe that it is just nothing more than an accident and this belief you know is simply not in accordance with rational inquiry, but irrational emotional objections to the implications of a Creator God.

Oh well that convinces me. Damn my critical sceptical mind asking for evidence that does not exist and being able to spot logical fallacies.

I am so sorry I doubted you.

Wow, who guessed I had an emotional side that could be appealed to.
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