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20-07-2011, 11:05 PM
RE: I Need Solid Proof God Doesn't Exist
It doesn't need to be an argument for pantheism. It's all in how you interpret 'god'

Stephen Hawkings 'God' is the physical laws that embody and govern the universe. I suppose that is pantheism in a sense though the laws of physics are tangible and impersonal.

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21-07-2011, 11:00 AM
RE: I Need Solid Proof God Doesn't Exist
(20-07-2011 07:55 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(18-07-2011 08:12 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  Science is God, as far as we know.

(19-07-2011 08:23 PM)Mr Woof Wrote:  G'day Girly. Believers want god to be "perfectly good"!
Science is morally neutral not "perfectly good".
~~~~~Mr Woof

(20-07-2011 10:57 AM)sy2502 Wrote:  Science by definition deals with the physical and natural, and god by definition is supernatural, so no, science can't answer the question of the existence of god. It can, on the other hand, disprove other myths commonly associated with god, like the young earth, the flood, etc.

Also the mathematical and the logical. I must've been too flippant or obtuse. I'll try to rephrase. Science is the closest thing we have to God.

And there are some philosophers, notably Spinoza, who argued that "God" and "Nature" are synonymous. So in his view Science and it's effort to know "Nature" (i.e. "God") is the only religion.

This simply brings us back to the earlier objections that logic can be used for example to show that the 3-omni god is logically inconsistent. But we need a good definition of "god" first. Since as others have pointed out, there's about as many definitions of god as there are believers, it's quite fair to expect the believer to show his/her particular flavor of deity exists.

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21-07-2011, 03:40 PM
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(21-07-2011 11:00 AM)sy2502 Wrote:  But we need a good definition of "god" first.

Aye, there's the rub. I'm still feeling in my gut what I said in my first post here that there is a God and it is us.

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21-07-2011, 06:26 PM
RE: I Need Solid Proof God Doesn't Exist
(21-07-2011 03:40 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(21-07-2011 11:00 AM)sy2502 Wrote:  But we need a good definition of "god" first.

Aye, there's the rub. I'm still feeling in my gut what I said in my first post here that there is a God and it is us.

Wonderful... prove it!!! Big Grin

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21-07-2011, 07:07 PM (This post was last modified: 21-07-2011 08:28 PM by GirlyMan.)
RE: I Need Solid Proof God Doesn't Exist
(21-07-2011 06:26 PM)sy2502 Wrote:  Wonderful... prove it!!! Big Grin

Why? Even if I did prove it I understand and formally appreciate the limits of logic discovered by Godel the Destroyer. They are irrefutably insurmountable. Logic and reason are provably inadequate to be God.

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I will show you fear in a handful of dust.
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22-07-2011, 09:18 AM
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(21-07-2011 07:07 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(21-07-2011 06:26 PM)sy2502 Wrote:  Wonderful... prove it!!! Big Grin

Why? Even if I did prove it I understand and formally appreciate the limits of logic discovered by Godel the Destroyer. They are irrefutably insurmountable. Logic and reason are provably inadequate to be God.

You are talking but I am not sure any logic is coming out....

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22-07-2011, 10:36 AM
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When I hear phrases like nature, science, logic or reason being called "god" I wonder why? We have perfectly adequate words for those things and throwing the "G" word around adds nothing but confusion. It reminds my of a line from Macbeth, "It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

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22-07-2011, 10:51 AM
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(22-07-2011 10:36 AM)nontheocrat Wrote:  When I hear phrases like nature, science, logic or reason being called "god" I wonder why? We have perfectly adequate words for those things and throwing the "G" word around adds nothing but confusion. It reminds my of a line from Macbeth, "It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

It's interesting when people simply decide a word is going to have a new synonym, and that synonym is going to be... "god"! Like "nature" or "us" or "the laws of physics" or whatever. And they make so that because they say it is so, that's it, they don't need to explain anything else.

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22-07-2011, 10:57 AM
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(22-07-2011 10:36 AM)nontheocrat Wrote:  When I hear phrases like nature, science, logic or reason being called "god" I wonder why? We have perfectly adequate words for those things and throwing the "G" word around adds nothing but confusion. It reminds my of a line from Macbeth, "It is a tale told by an idiot, full of sound and fury, signifying nothing."

Agree. no one has defined what the "g" word actually means, or what "supernatural" means. Until that happens it DOES "signify nothing". I suspect in working through that definition it will become obvious that in the end it DOES actually have no real meaning, (singular), but perhaps countless meanings, (in fact as many meanings as those whose neurological/cognitive systems use and think about that word).

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22-07-2011, 05:33 PM
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(22-07-2011 09:18 AM)TheBeardedDude Wrote:  
(21-07-2011 07:07 PM)GirlyMan Wrote:  
(21-07-2011 06:26 PM)sy2502 Wrote:  Wonderful... prove it!!! Big Grin

Why? Even if I did prove it I understand and formally appreciate the limits of logic discovered by Godel the Destroyer. They are irrefutably insurmountable. Logic and reason are provably inadequate to be God.

You are talking but I am not sure any logic is coming out....

Fair enough. But now I get to ask "Do you understand and formally appreciate Godel's incompleteness theorems?"

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I will show you fear in a handful of dust.
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