I "Sin" Less As An Unbeliever
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01-05-2013, 12:46 PM
RE: I "Sin" Less As An Unbeliever
You're not the only one. Yes

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01-05-2013, 12:57 PM
 
RE: I "Sin" Less As An Unbeliever
(01-05-2013 09:00 AM)onedream Wrote:  Am I alone on this?

Since deconverting, the things I used to consider "sinful" I do less now.
Lets use pornography as an example. I used to feel extreme shame about viewing it. But I was drawn to it and couldn't get loose from looking at it several times a week as a Christian. And I saw occasional excessive use of it harming my marriage years ago.

Now that I see there's no rational reason to view it as a "sin" I could really rather take it or leave it. I hardly EVER use it now. Take the mistique and taboo away from it and its no longer a thing I struggle with being drawn to. Over the last year, my marriage has improved and our sex life has never been better.

So contrary to theist opinion, unbelief has actually "set me free" from pornography.

You were a better person when you were sinning and feeling bad about it than you are now. God can handle sin. It's self-righteousness that keeps us away from the Divine.

Also, sex and religion are very similar things, psychologically, so if you get rid of one, you probably will see a decrease in the other.

Also, you're marriage has improved, that's true, but now that you don't believe God exists, you remove any reason for even being married. You remove any reason for even loving anyone else.

I understand not being a Christian. I'm done with it, too (I'll talk more about that later.), but to throw the baby out with the bathwater is just an overreaction. You could still see pornography as not being a sin and believe in God. Or you could see it as a sin and accept the fact that you don't deserve God's grace and mercy--that's called humility.

I wouldn't want to see you addicted to porn and have it ruin your marriage. But what good is it to give up something bad by making it not bad to begin with? Where is the growth in that? It's like Henry the VIII separating from the Catholic Church in order to get a divorce.
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01-05-2013, 01:01 PM
RE: I "Sin" Less As An Unbeliever
(01-05-2013 12:57 PM)Egor Wrote:  but now that you don't believe God exists, you remove any reason for even loving anyone else.
Are you that joker childswhatshisface conjoined twin?

What an utterly horrific way to feel! That you need a non-existent entity in order to love real, breathing human (and not just human) beings.

No wonder you're like a trapped animal, lashing at everyone that comes near it.

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01-05-2013, 01:07 PM
 
RE: I "Sin" Less As An Unbeliever
(01-05-2013 12:34 PM)Erxomai Wrote:  I can totally relate, OD. I find it funny when the silly theists like Egor accuse us of becoming atheists because we want to sin. Like you, I'm less apt to do things that I felt terribly guilty for when I was a Christee.

But then again, I've wondered if this is because of a change in worldview, or is it a function of being a fat, old man? Weeping

The sin you do is to see yourself as sinless. God can handle the bad acts. It's the self-righteousness that makes you an atheist. Otherwise, you'd at least have to be an agnostic.
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01-05-2013, 01:10 PM
 
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(01-05-2013 01:01 PM)Vera Wrote:  Are you that joker childswhatshisface conjoined twin?

What an utterly horrific way to feel! That you need a non-existent entity in order to love real, breathing human (and not just human) beings.

No wonder you're like a trapped animal, lashing at everyone that comes near it.

I'm not trapped. I'm free. And you can say whatever you want; you can't defend your position. You want to pretend love without God exists, but it doesn't. If there is no God, even if there is an emotion we call love, it's meaningless. It's as meaningless as everything else in a universe with chaos as a foundation and evolution creating pointless changes.

If there is no God, there is no love. There is only the delusion of love.

And I don't care how much you insult me. You only do that because you're afraid of the truth I'm telling you.
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01-05-2013, 01:16 PM
RE: I "Sin" Less As An Unbeliever
(01-05-2013 01:10 PM)Egor Wrote:  
(01-05-2013 01:01 PM)Vera Wrote:  Are you that joker childswhatshisface conjoined twin?

What an utterly horrific way to feel! That you need a non-existent entity in order to love real, breathing human (and not just human) beings.

No wonder you're like a trapped animal, lashing at everyone that comes near it.

I'm not trapped. I'm free. And you can say whatever you want, you can't defend your position. You want to pretend love without God exists, but it doesn't. If there is no God, even if there is an emotion we call love, it's meaningless. It's as meaningless as everything else in a universe with chaos as a foundation and evolution creating pointless changes.

If there is no God, there is no love. There is only the delusion of love.

And I don't care how much you insult me. You only do that because you're afraid of the truth I'm telling you.

What a sad way to live. You claim that you are incapable of love that it comes only from your "God" and without him we and therefor you are lacking it. You have removed that part of you that makes you human (an evolved animal) and given it to your Idol. The worship of any god is Idolatry be it to a statue or to a construct in your own head.

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01-05-2013, 01:19 PM
RE: I "Sin" Less As An Unbeliever
(01-05-2013 01:07 PM)Egor Wrote:  
(01-05-2013 12:34 PM)Erxomai Wrote:  I can totally relate, OD. I find it funny when the silly theists like Egor accuse us of becoming atheists because we want to sin. Like you, I'm less apt to do things that I felt terribly guilty for when I was a Christee.

But then again, I've wondered if this is because of a change in worldview, or is it a function of being a fat, old man? Weeping

The sin you do is to see yourself as sinless. God can handle the bad acts. It's the self-righteousness that makes you an atheist. Otherwise, you'd at least have to be an agnostic.

To see myself as "sinless" I'd have to see myself as perfect. I am in no way perfect. I have many flaws, and at various times, destructive habits. So I'm not sinless, as you put it, I just do not share your belief that punishment awaits anyone after death.

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01-05-2013, 01:26 PM
RE: I "Sin" Less As An Unbeliever
(01-05-2013 12:57 PM)Egor Wrote:  You were a better person when you were sinning and feeling bad about it than you are now. God can handle sin. It's self-righteousness that keeps us away from the Divine.

Dude, you're being an asshole. This is a place (or at least a thread) where former believers are trying to get over this kind of nonsense and deal with their baggage, and you come in here and spoil everything by spewing the same old garbage we've managed to free ourselves from. That is douchebaggery at its most obscene.

Go back to your own shitty website or your nutter-centric threads and vomit out your hogwash there, you self-centered Censored!
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01-05-2013, 02:33 PM
RE: I "Sin" Less As An Unbeliever
Ego Wrote:I'm not trapped. I'm free. And you can say whatever you want, you can't defend your position. You want to pretend love without God exists, but it doesn't. If there is no God, even if there is an emotion we call love, it's meaningless. It's as meaningless as everything else in a universe with chaos as a foundation and evolution creating pointless changes.

If there is no God, there is no love. There is only the delusion of love.


Aaaaaaaaaaand mental illness.

Yep, Ego's "different wind" was just a bigger amount of the same old fart. Drinking Beverage

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