I Think I'd Like to Change
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10-05-2012, 05:06 PM
(This post was last modified: 10-05-2012 05:33 PM by GirlyMan.)
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RE: I Think I'd Like to Change
(10-05-2012 01:51 AM)Egor Wrote: And I want to stop being an asshole. ... I don't know, one day you look in the mirror and a 47-year-old man stares back at you and you realize that acting like an adolescent isn't cute--it's pathetic. Well I'll be goddamed. Someone needs to tell Edward that his wife or daughter has hacked into his account. ![]() Congratulations on discovering Girly's 3 Commandments. Better late than never. #1: Don't be an asshole. #2: Unless it's called for. #3: See rule #1. Don't mean I always live by them, but what matters is I try. Good on ya, brother. ![]() (10-05-2012 11:22 AM)Egor Wrote:(10-05-2012 10:12 AM)morondog Wrote: 'Grats on having ginormous balls... That's what I'm worried about. Those testicles ain't functional no more, brother. It don't count if you're not an asshole 'cause you have the testosterone of a little girl. ... Nah, I'm just fucking with you. Good luck and Godspeed Edward! #sigh |
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10-05-2012, 05:08 PM
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RE: I Think I'd Like to Change
(10-05-2012 03:02 PM)lightninlives Wrote: So just to follow up on this, god is a guy (e.g. a male). I only say that because you mention "he" and "him." Blame that on the creators of English. We don't usually refer to a conscious entity as "it." So, if I have to pick him or her, I choose "Him," and I tend to capitalize it when I'm referring to God. Quote:Also, just out of curiosity, what if when I die, I don't want to like this guy. Is that an option? What if I, say for example, don't want to exist anymore. Is that an option? Because I'm not really down with tyranny or conformity. You can't not exist, not on your own anyway. I suppose God could make it so you don't exist by simply ignoring the mental lines that form your modality from His substance. But we were created for Him. We exist at His pleasure. And don't forget, if he erases the mental lines that form you, you stop existing by returning to an existence as God. The guy you say you don't like is more connected to you than you might think (God, I feel more comfortable in my New Age clothes!). Quote:So for example, we can verify that the emotion of compassion exists (observed behavior both in humans and animals, consistent brain scan patterns that correspond to the observed subjective emotion of compassion, etc.). I'm not sure a scientific approach to compassion is going to get you where you want to go in that regard. And by the way, when you say "god" what do you mean? What is that? Quote:Or perhaps writing for children. You could spend a lifetime learning about, searching for, and actually doing that, and it would be a life well-spent and utterly devoid of any god-seeking. Well, I get your point, but I would like to say there is no profession closer to being a professional bum than being a writer. But that's just my take on it, and if I could be that professional bum, trust me, I would. (10-05-2012 03:17 PM)houseofcantor Wrote: The short story is that she is my sweet everything. Okay. Got it. ![]() (10-05-2012 03:23 PM)Erxomai Wrote: Here's to the new Egor... So, you've answered one of the most complex questions in the universe: What to get for a man who's got everything. ![]() (10-05-2012 05:06 PM)GirlyMan Wrote: That's what I'm worried about. Those testicles ain't functional no more, brother. It don't count if your not an asshole 'cause you have the testosterone of a little girl. ... Nah, I'm just fucking with you. Good luck and Godspeed Edward! Good point! BTW, thanks Morondog, Kim, Logisch, and GirlyMan for the rep points. If I ever get into positive territory, I'll make sure I do the same for you. Ed |
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10-05-2012, 05:46 PM
(This post was last modified: 10-05-2012 05:49 PM by GirlyMan.)
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RE: I Think I'd Like to Change
(10-05-2012 05:08 PM)Egor Wrote: You can't not exist, not on your own anyway. Oh, I'm confident I can, brother. It's the only truly unalienable, irrevocable right I have. But we can agree to disagree. #sigh |
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10-05-2012, 06:38 PM
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10-05-2012, 08:08 PM
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(10-05-2012 01:24 PM)guitar_nut Wrote: Wow, I have nothing but respect.See what I mean? IP address check, please mods? (10-05-2012 05:08 PM)Egor Wrote:(10-05-2012 03:02 PM)lightninlives Wrote: So just to follow up on this, god is a guy (e.g. a male). I only say that because you mention "he" and "him." English evolved... there was no creator! ![]() . (I love this forum; miracles happen every day) |
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10-05-2012, 09:08 PM
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RE: I Think I'd Like to Change
(10-05-2012 07:22 AM)kingschosen Wrote: C'mon... Egor has always done exactly what he's said. He not known for being a liar. Just because some of you don't like him because of his past attitude, doesn't give you the right to "call BS".Some kind and god points K.C.! Change isn't always for the best; as the good book sayeth one evil spirit departs and seven new ones take its place................... I'm not suggesting this will happen to Egor of course! |
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10-05-2012, 09:28 PM
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10-05-2012, 10:05 PM
(This post was last modified: 10-05-2012 10:09 PM by lightninlives.)
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RE: I Think I'd Like to Change
Quote:lightninlives Wrote: So just to follow up on this, god is a guy (e.g. a male). I only say that because you mention "he" and "him."Blame that on the creators of English. We don't usually refer to a conscious entity as "it." So, if I have to pick him or her, I choose "Him," and I tend to capitalize it when I'm referring to God. Ok, so then let's just cut to the chase.
Quote:Quote:Also, just out of curiosity, what if when I die, I don't want to like this guy. Is that an option? What if I, say for example, don't want to exist anymore. Is that an option? Because I'm not really down with tyranny or conformity.You can't not exist, not on your own anyway. I suppose God could make it so you don't exist by simply ignoring the mental lines that form your modality from His substance. But we were created for Him. We exist at His pleasure. And don't forget, if he erases the mental lines that form you, you stop existing by returning to an existence as God. The guy you say you don't like is more connected to you than you might think (God, I feel more comfortable in my New Age clothes!). I think that my cohorts covered your "you can't exist" assertion, so there's no need to beat a dead horse. I'm more interested in some of the apparent contradictions you laid out in the statement above. Namely: At one point you state "...we were created for him. We exist at his pleasure..." but then you go on to say that "you stop existing by returning to an existence as god" and "the guy you say you don't like is more connected than you might think." So which one is it? Do we exist for god (e.g. we are separate from god) or are we part of god (e.g. we're connected)? Mind you, I can only guess that you haven't read up on personal journey to atheism (might need to revisit that in an upcoming post). I'm all too familiar with the concept of erasing the mental lines of the ego and returning to an existence as god; a oneness; a singularity; Brahman. I studied advaitism under a Hindu holy man that would literally read sanskrit text (and translate to English on the fly) and had the ability to induce sober hallucinations using voice inflection (he did this multiple times and to multiple people I was with...my best guess is that he was trained in the art of voice inflection and hypnosis). Oh, and one last thing, the whole "I don't like this guy" line was a hypothetical intended to highlight the tyrannical nature of the god you're working on defining for yourself and the rest of the forum. I don't dislike this god of yours anymore than I dislike Kris Kringle or the Luck Dragon from Neverending Story. Quote:QuoteI'm not sure a scientific approach to compassion is going to get you where you want to go in that regard. And by the way, when you say "god" what do you mean? What is that? This is truly fascinating stuff. For starters, how do you know that I have not already gotten to where I wanted to go in this regard? Secondly, have you ever done some sincere introspection on why you would dismiss a scientific approach to anything? Not just for yourself, mind you, but for humans in general. Incidentally, I take a somewhat mathematical approach to concepts like compassion and happiness. They are not destinations. They are directions (hopefully, one of my mathematically inclined cohorts can draw up an equation or geometric graph to illustrate this divergence from mainstream, deterministic approaches to these concepts). As far as what I mean when I say "god" I'm referring to the god you're working on defining in this and other threads. I don't believe in god, so I can only use the definitions that others give for him. Kind of goes back to that "Fountain of Youth" analogy that I posited earlier but you haven't addressed yet. I couldn't define the Fountain of Youth because I don't believe it has or ever will exist (not literally anyway, though I do believe scientific and technological breakthroughs will lead to serious life extension sooner than later). But if you believe it exists, I'll be happy to use your definition as a point of reference. Quote:Quote:Or perhaps writing for children. You could spend a lifetime learning about, searching for, and actually doing that, and it would be a life well-spent and utterly devoid of any god-seeking.Well, I get your point, but I would like to say there is no profession closer to being a professional bum than being a writer. But that's just my take on it, and if I could be that professional bum, trust me, I would. The irony here is delicious, considering that the bible was written by professional writers (I think they called them scribes back then). But hey, at least you seem to be getting my point. There's no need to search for the fountain of youth or god. This only life of ours offers up plenty of real things worth pursuing. P.S. I'm very happy to see the path you seem to be on. Stepping away from rigid dogma and doctrine is almost always the first step, and even if you never get to a point where you can even imagine/pretend for one day that god is a human idea and not a real entity that actually exists (some find that just one day will do the trick) you've already hopefully made enough progress to ensure that you vote and treat others according to reason and not religious dogma, and that's good enough for me. The rest is just exorcising the argumentative part of my psyche ; ) |
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11-05-2012, 12:27 AM
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RE: I Think I'd Like to Change
OK, would you stop with the compliments already, enough is enough.
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