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11-01-2015, 01:30 AM
RE: I am Believer - Challenge My Beliefs
(11-01-2015 01:14 AM)Miss Suzanne Wrote:  
(10-01-2015 11:20 PM)AlephBet Wrote:  Right questions, so I'll answer. Christian belief is in error. If you don't overcome Yahweh / Satan, you cannot get to the Father / hidden God. Part of faith is overcoming the mark of the beast. Who is the beast? Christianity is made for the sick. It is a means to an end, allowing the process to overcome selfishness.

Revelation 13

18 This calls for wisdom. Let the person who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man.[e] That number is 666.

The beast is ultimately selfishness. When the Son of God made his own version of creation in Genesis 2, it was founded on Carbon based life. Carbon has 6 protons, 6 neutrons and 6 electrons. The mark of mankind is the beast. We overcome the beast by rising above the image we occupy. The material world is not our first estate. As I stated earlier, we are Eve (bride) divided from Adam (Groom). Yahweh is the ruling mind of Adam throughout scriptures. The beast to overcome is Yahweh. By this, you deny and silence Satan (conscience). Until that point, trials and fire.

Why did the temple crumble? Why did Jesus / Yahweh hang on a cross? I said I was a believer. I said nothing of being a Christian. If you don't get past the Son, you won't find the Father. The Son overcame. By this, the Son is showing the way to roll the stone away from the temple of Yahweh and back to the will of the Father of Love and Spirit of God.

2 Timothy 3

3 But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people.

18 markers. 6+6+6. He says, "Mark THIS!"

If you fail to overcome selfishness / self-righteousness, you are simply shedding your own blood.

Your proof is the truth of the argument. Is God right by demanding this of his Son? Now that you know you are the Son, just as much as Yahweh, you are without excuse. Note the markers. Note your conscience (Satan) by comparison.

No room to blame God. He rested in Genesis 2. The rest is all you, us, we.

(didn't realize there were right and wrong ways to question your beliefs other than maybe something like, "Pepsi or Coke," which doesn't really address your beliefs but okay)
Alrighty, I'll admit that I was assuming you were Christian since "Spirit of God" seems like a fairly Christian thing to say. So,is there a way you classify your set of beliefs? Or is it all your own? And does that mean that Christianity can't be a vital tool in your opinion? Like is a person unable to reach this conclusion through attending a church and realizing some of the things you said when their priest/bishop/what-have-you says something different? If they can, doesn't Christianity serve at least a little purpose?

I was a Christian until I realized what Christ died for. From this, I overcame as he overcame. The problem with being a Christian is that they worship the Lord (Yahweh) as the same Lord of the NT (Yeshua). They then define him as God the Father.

In light of this verse, is this accurate?

1 Corinthians 15

25 For he must reign until he has put all his enemies under his feet. 26 The last enemy to be destroyed is death. 27 For he “has put everything under his feet.” Now when it says that “everything” has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 28 When he has done this, then the Son himself will be made subject to him who put everything under him, so that God may be all in all.

By calling myself a Christian, I would be accepting the theology of Christianity. I do not accept it in it's prideful state of error. Theology is held in pride, just as self-righteousness causes sin and room for accusation through judgement. As any good Atheist would tell you, judge not lest ye be judged. This is the primary reason most people leave faith in the Bible.

Yahweh is not the Lord to follow. He is the Lord overcome by Christ. Taking the name of Christ is not taking on the title Christian. It is taking the name by the character of the one who held the title. The name means Altruism and Love for others. Judgement, using the word as a tool for judgment, is the same error of Yahweh all over again.

The proper title for me would be follower of the Spirit of God. That Spirit is exemplified in Christ. The Father's will is to give and receive only. This is the highest ideal. Only a thief can take. Judgment is taking. War is taking. There is no such thing as a righteous war. Satan was made by Yahweh (Genesis 3:1). Jesus overcome Satan. No fighting necessary.

Love overcomes, which is the highest ideal of the true Spirit of God.

If you are searching for the higher ideal, read the Gita. Do a slight bit of research into the name Shiva and Yeshua and you might just realize why the Jewish University is called, "Yeshiva."

The Jews know their source. Read the Gita to know what the Lord is. From this, you know yourself. First, overcome what Arjuna overcame in chapter 1 of the allegory. If you don't, you'll never know the truth of the Spirit of God. This is the trap and cycle of rebirth that the Atheist and Judgmental Christian experiences.



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11-01-2015, 01:35 AM
RE: I am Believer - Challenge My Beliefs
(11-01-2015 01:14 AM)Miss Suzanne Wrote:  
(10-01-2015 11:20 PM)AlephBet Wrote:  Right questions, so I'll answer. Christian belief is in error. If you don't overcome Yahweh / Satan, you cannot get to the Father / hidden God. Part of faith is overcoming the mark of the beast. Who is the beast? Christianity is made for the sick. It is a means to an end, allowing the process to overcome selfishness.

Revelation 13

18 This calls for wisdom. Let the person who has insight calculate the number of the beast, for it is the number of a man.[e] That number is 666.

The beast is ultimately selfishness. When the Son of God made his own version of creation in Genesis 2, it was founded on Carbon based life. Carbon has 6 protons, 6 neutrons and 6 electrons. The mark of mankind is the beast. We overcome the beast by rising above the image we occupy. The material world is not our first estate. As I stated earlier, we are Eve (bride) divided from Adam (Groom). Yahweh is the ruling mind of Adam throughout scriptures. The beast to overcome is Yahweh. By this, you deny and silence Satan (conscience). Until that point, trials and fire.

Why did the temple crumble? Why did Jesus / Yahweh hang on a cross? I said I was a believer. I said nothing of being a Christian. If you don't get past the Son, you won't find the Father. The Son overcame. By this, the Son is showing the way to roll the stone away from the temple of Yahweh and back to the will of the Father of Love and Spirit of God.

2 Timothy 3

3 But mark this: There will be terrible times in the last days. 2 People will be lovers of themselves, lovers of money, boastful, proud, abusive, disobedient to their parents, ungrateful, unholy, 3 without love, unforgiving, slanderous, without self-control, brutal, not lovers of the good, 4 treacherous, rash, conceited, lovers of pleasure rather than lovers of God— 5 having a form of godliness but denying its power. Have nothing to do with such people.

18 markers. 6+6+6. He says, "Mark THIS!"

If you fail to overcome selfishness / self-righteousness, you are simply shedding your own blood.

Your proof is the truth of the argument. Is God right by demanding this of his Son? Now that you know you are the Son, just as much as Yahweh, you are without excuse. Note the markers. Note your conscience (Satan) by comparison.

No room to blame God. He rested in Genesis 2. The rest is all you, us, we.

Quote: When the Son of God made his own version of creation in Genesis 2, it was founded on Carbon based life. Carbon has 6 protons, 6 neutrons and 6 electrons. The mark of mankind is the beast.
Was that self revelation, an article you read, what? I mean, to me it sounds like something you pointed at and said, "that works."

Also, was Jesus really like not doing things for god and he realized what he was doing was for himself when he died on the cross? Like his miracles were, "hey look at what I can do," not "look at god's power!" Because that's what I'm getting from all that. Was that the plan from the get-go or did I read that wrong or...?

And since all the people that I know that are believe in god claim the beast to be the devil/antichrist, what do you make of the Book of Revelations in general? Something tells me your take on it is different than everyone else's.

Oh, and just telling you now, I'm not buying any of what you're selling. I'm cheap so I only buy clearance stuff. I'm mostly asking out of curiosity's sake and because you asked to be questioned. My lack of belief won't change because of you (or your deity) and I don't intend to deconvert you. Just seeing what makes you different than the other sheep, if you will.

I believe it all. I read it for what it says. Overcome the mind of Yahweh and silence Satan by doing this. Jesus overcome the same way. Love conquers all.

Jesus message is valid in every respect. I simply look beyond to the root of this truth found in documents like the Upanishads. Once you read these, you can then go back and read the Bible clearly. What I outline about overcoming the Lord is overcoming the Self for the Spirit of God hidden behind it.

You will not buy until you desire it. Give it time.
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11-01-2015, 01:35 AM
RE: I am Believer - Challenge My Beliefs
(11-01-2015 01:06 AM)AlephBet Wrote:  
(11-01-2015 12:55 AM)pablo Wrote:  Challenge your beliefs? Why?
What possible beneficial outcome could I hope for?
Your inane ramblings suggest you could use a heavy dose of psychotherapy, and I could have a more productive conversation with my dog.
Run along now little fella.
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Ad Hominem in an Atheist forum is a sure sign truth cannot be overcome any other way. Stick to the subject and avoid stepping on the object. Truth must be expressed with evidence that can be observed. I have shown it in spades. Plenty more to come.

You have no better argument than the last person that was here with their 'truth'.
If you want a reasonable reply, make a reasonable statement.
The shorter the better, nobody wants to read your long winded manifesto.
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11-01-2015, 01:38 AM
RE: I am Believer - Challenge My Beliefs
Oh brother Facepalm

Ain't no way to challenge your beliefs champ, you discovered the Truth. Anyway, why not try...

Is your deity invisible? If not, why can't I see him? If so, why do you think he's there?

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(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.
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11-01-2015, 01:40 AM
RE: I am Believer - Challenge My Beliefs
(11-01-2015 01:17 AM)Anjele Wrote:  
(11-01-2015 01:15 AM)AlephBet Wrote:  You meant grammar.

Either way if you can't string together English properly I doubt your ability to decipher all your "proof" in Hebrew or any other language.

Breathing fire my way just to point out that I missed a letter in the thousands of words typed tonight? I would say I am doing pretty well.

I read the Dhammapada to clear up my thinking regarding how to communicate with others. There is a universal law at play here:

Choices

We are what we think.
All that we are arises with our thoughts.
With our thoughts we make the world.
Speak or act with an impure mind
And trouble will follow you
As the wheel follows the ox that draws the cart.
We are what we think.
All that we are arises with our thoughts.
With our thoughts we make the world.
Speak or act with a pure mind
And happiness will follow you
As your shadow, unshakable.
"Look how he abused me and hurt me,
How he threw me down and robbed me."
Live with such thoughts and you live in hate.
"Look how he abused me and hurt me,
How he threw me down and robbed me."
Abandon such thoughts, and live in love.
In this world
Hate never yet dispelled hate.
Only love dispels hate.
This is the law,
Ancient and inexhaustible.

Good stuff. Self is hard to control. The self-controlled mind is controlled by knowing the self. I read the Upanishads for this.
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11-01-2015, 01:46 AM
RE: I am Believer - Challenge My Beliefs
(11-01-2015 01:40 AM)AlephBet Wrote:  Good stuff. Self is hard to control. The self-controlled mind is controlled by knowing the self. I read the Upanishads for this.

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11-01-2015, 01:47 AM
RE: I am Believer - Challenge My Beliefs
Also, just like AlephBet, I presuppose I'm correct.

Prove me wrong bitch. Drinking Beverage

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11-01-2015, 02:01 AM
RE: I am Believer - Challenge My Beliefs
Wow. Proof that if you take a whole bunch of religions, ignore all the inconvenient bits (~99.9%) and misinterpret/mistranslate/misrepresent what remains, you can prove anything. I'm astonished I am.

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11-01-2015, 02:03 AM
RE: I am Believer - Challenge My Beliefs
(11-01-2015 01:47 AM)EvolutionKills Wrote:  Also, just like AlephBet, I presuppose I'm correct.

Prove me wrong bitch. Drinking Beverage

If one uses one's own epistemology, one will always be correct.

It's a neat trick.

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11-01-2015, 02:19 AM
RE: I am Believer - Challenge My Beliefs
(11-01-2015 01:35 AM)AlephBet Wrote:  You will not buy until you desire it. Give it time.

Honey bunches of oats in a cereal bowl, I'm not gonna give it time because I don't desire it. I'm not going to desire it. I suppose you can think of me as the customer and you the sales person. I'll ask you about the fancy thing because I'm too nice to slam the door in your face, you tell me why it's better than the one I already got and why it's worth so much damn money, and I say, "that's nice," before saying, "no thanks," and going back into my home.

I'll be honest, you got a lot going on in what you said to me. Doesn't help that you put it in two posts. Did notice the "Shiva" ( the god of destruction, correct?), reincarnation, the Bhagavad Gita, and the Upanishads. Those being things within Hinduism. Does Hinduism play into what you believe? I mean, all you've been quoting is from the Holy Bible so the video of the Bhagavad Gita seemed out of nowhere.

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