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10-01-2015, 10:14 PM
RE: I am Believer - Challenge My Beliefs
How to Respond to Garbled Speech

By Paula Spencer Scott

"If speech comes out garbled and you aren't sure what your loved one is trying to say, don't focus too much on figuring out the exact meaning. This may go against your natural impulses and make you feel like a failure. But it's freeing to realize that even without a perfect understanding of the message, you can still fashion a meaningful response that your loved one will appreciate.

Here's how:

Respond to the emotion behind the words. This approach is the best way to "get it right" and will make both of you feel better.

Use tone and expression to help you get at the real meaning.

If your loved one sounds agitated or upset, try to figure out the cause and respond to that. Could he or she be cold? Hungry? In need of toileting?

Be reassuring. If your loved one is smiling as he speaks but you have no idea what the words mean, smile back and offer a comment that's pleasant and innocuous in return. Take in and treasure the emotion itself.

Don’t beat yourself up over the ineffectiveness of supplying paper or chalkboard or devising a new system of pointing to letters. Methods that work for stroke victims are useless with dementia, because your loved one can’t learn a new system or manipulate writing materials."

Hope this helps.

“I am quite sure now that often, very often, in matters concerning religion and politics a man’s reasoning powers are not above the monkey’s.”~Mark Twain
“Ocean: A body of water occupying about two-thirds of a world made for man - who has no gills.”~ Ambrose Bierce
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10-01-2015, 10:17 PM
RE: I am Believer - Challenge My Beliefs
(10-01-2015 10:07 PM)TheInquisition Wrote:  
(10-01-2015 10:04 PM)AlephBet Wrote:  Is a tree bound to the soil in error? We are all bound here in darkness together. The primary means to evolution is how you define the word.

E in Latin means to emerge from. Volution is the spin around a center. In physics, the Strong Nuclear Force follows the laws of invariant symmetry. Electrons are the weak force and do not follow this law, but are heeled by the law. Apart from this, there could be no individuation in nature and no evolution of forms, substance or consciousness.

Unless you are bound by a different mechanism, we are here together being heeled by the authority of that which does not change. At best, you can say we are each translating the symmetry differently.

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Do you know that we are routinely visited on this forum by Christ every few months?

Greetings, Atheists, I am Christ.

You are visited by him each time you look at your image in the mirror. Looking at a picture in no way describes who you are entangled with the image. I have proof for you if this is what you need to see the image accurately. By proof, I am merely saying that the evidence cannot be dispelled for a creator who left a signature in the image. By this, I would never show you an average out of place artifact. I have the best available in my avatar.
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10-01-2015, 10:17 PM
RE: I am Believer - Challenge My Beliefs
Well, might as well get a few of the usual things out of the way;

1. Explain why your god had to sacrifice his kid when there was absolutely nothing stopping him from just forgiving people. He's all powerful. No one is known to be above him.

2. Explain why your god never heals amputees, a.k.a. a visible physical problem that has absolutely no way of fixing itself (unlike the diseases people claim your god heals).

3. Explain why natural disasters, and other catastrophes, wrack this planet all the time, killing thousands, if it's all overseen, controlled, and created by a loving god.

4. Explain why your god made a universe billions of trillions of light years in length if all he needed was this one little tiny speck (not even a speck, smaller) for his humans.

5. Explain why, if we are designed by your god who loves us, we have so many inherent problems in our designs, such as the fact that we eat and breath through the same tube.

6. Explain why your Bible claims the Earth is flat despite it clearly not being so. While you're at it, explain why it claims the Earth is stationary, and why it claims the moon gives off light.

7. Explain why your god, again supposedly all loving, gave detailed instructions on how to own slaves in his holy book.

Popcorn I put more thought into fiction than theists put into reality.
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10-01-2015, 10:18 PM
RE: I am Believer - Challenge My Beliefs
(10-01-2015 10:12 PM)AlephBet Wrote:  
(10-01-2015 10:01 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  Oh wow.

Welcome, and I wish you the best. I hope you find what you're looking for.

Many of us at one time or another were where you are. Full of self righteousness and pride.

Then we started turning that arrogance inwards and questioning everything, realizing slowly it was impossible for any god to exist. You'll get no hate from me. I can only hope you'll remove the god glasses and come to reason.

I know the self-righteousness you are talking about. Pride is the primary lesson of the Bible in fact. Yahweh is the ruling mind of Adam, proclaiming himself God above all others. Satan is the accuser (conscience). Seen in this light, what you suggest is the primary goal of all scripture. When Yahweh Silenced Satan, he clothed Joshua with a new mind and robe.

Zachariah 3

3 Then he showed me Joshua, the chief priest, standing in front of the Messenger of Yahweh. Satan the Accuser was standing at Joshua’s right side to accuse him. 2 Yahweh said to Satan, “I, Yahweh, silence you, Satan! I, Yahweh, who has chosen Jerusalem, silence you! Isn’t this man like a burning log snatched from a fire?”

3 Joshua was wearing filthy clothes and was standing in front of the Messenger. 4 The Messenger said to those who were standing in front of him, “Remove Joshua’s filthy clothes.” Then he said to Joshua, “See, I have taken your sin away from you, and I will dress you in fine clothing.”

Note that Yeshua / Joshua / High Priest pictured here did the same in Matthew 4. He silenced the accuser by removing his own self desires. If you know this truth of the mind of the Son, then you know that you are also the Son of God (Adam).

Luke 3, at the end of the Genealogy, shows you who the Son of God is. Adam is the one. By this, we know that Yahweh (higher ruling mind) made Satan (accuser) by necessity. The Son needed to be raised by the Father (Elohim). In Genesis 1, the Father Created Adam to be both male and female. It's the female nature that is being refined as humanity below.

As you accurately state, this is the pride of ignorance (Arummim / nakedness). Satan was fully clothed with knowledge (Arum / Cunning). Note the wordplay with the two roots for naked and cunning.

If you were to give God the benefit of the doubt, what would his purpose be in allowing yeast when baking bread in the oven of trials?

Actually Yahweh was the 70th son of the Babylonian chief deity, El Elyon, the god of the armies, (the lord of "hosts"). I see already you're yet another in the LONG LONG line of You-Tube internet nut cases. We get about one a week. As I said, Take a number, (and BTW EVERYTHING you say here must be backed up and referenced by externally cited scholarship).

Insufferable know-it-all.Einstein God has a plan for us. Please stop screwing it up with your prayers.
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10-01-2015, 10:18 PM
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(10-01-2015 10:17 PM)CleverUsername Wrote:  Well, might as well get a few of the usual things out of the way;

1. Explain why your god had to sacrifice his kid when there was absolutely nothing stopping him from just forgiving people. He's all powerful. No one is known to be above him.

2. Explain why your god never heals amputees, a.k.a. a visible physical problem that has absolutely no way of fixing itself (unlike the diseases people claim your god heals).

3. Explain why natural disasters, and other catastrophes, wrack this planet all the time, killing thousands, if it's all overseen, controlled, and created by a loving god.

4. Explain why your god made a universe billions of trillions of light years in length if all he needed was this one little tiny speck (not even a speck, smaller) for his humans.

5. Explain why, if we are designed by your god who loves us, we have so many inherent problems in our designs, such as the fact that we eat and breath through the same tube.

6. Explain why your Bible claims the Earth is flat despite it clearly not being so. While you're at it, explain why it claims the Earth is stationary, and why it claims the moon gives off light.

7. Explain why your god, again supposedly all loving, gave detailed instructions on how to own slaves in his holy book.

God can do whatever he wants.

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10-01-2015, 10:20 PM
RE: I am Believer - Challenge My Beliefs
(10-01-2015 10:18 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(10-01-2015 10:12 PM)AlephBet Wrote:  I know the self-righteousness you are talking about. Pride is the primary lesson of the Bible in fact. Yahweh is the ruling mind of Adam, proclaiming himself God above all others. Satan is the accuser (conscience). Seen in this light, what you suggest is the primary goal of all scripture. When Yahweh Silenced Satan, he clothed Joshua with a new mind and robe.

Zachariah 3

3 Then he showed me Joshua, the chief priest, standing in front of the Messenger of Yahweh. Satan the Accuser was standing at Joshua’s right side to accuse him. 2 Yahweh said to Satan, “I, Yahweh, silence you, Satan! I, Yahweh, who has chosen Jerusalem, silence you! Isn’t this man like a burning log snatched from a fire?”

3 Joshua was wearing filthy clothes and was standing in front of the Messenger. 4 The Messenger said to those who were standing in front of him, “Remove Joshua’s filthy clothes.” Then he said to Joshua, “See, I have taken your sin away from you, and I will dress you in fine clothing.”

Note that Yeshua / Joshua / High Priest pictured here did the same in Matthew 4. He silenced the accuser by removing his own self desires. If you know this truth of the mind of the Son, then you know that you are also the Son of God (Adam).

Luke 3, at the end of the Genealogy, shows you who the Son of God is. Adam is the one. By this, we know that Yahweh (higher ruling mind) made Satan (accuser) by necessity. The Son needed to be raised by the Father (Elohim). In Genesis 1, the Father Created Adam to be both male and female. It's the female nature that is being refined as humanity below.

As you accurately state, this is the pride of ignorance (Arummim / nakedness). Satan was fully clothed with knowledge (Arum / Cunning). Note the wordplay with the two roots for naked and cunning.

If you were to give God the benefit of the doubt, what would his purpose be in allowing yeast when baking bread in the oven of trials?

Actually Yahweh was the 70th son of the Babylonian chief deity, El Elyon, the god of the armies, (the lord of "hosts"). I see alreay you're yet another in the LONG LONG line of You-Tube internet nut cases. We get about one a week. As I said, Take a number, (and BTW EVERYTHING you say here must be backed up and referenced by externally cited scholarship).

So... You demand everyone give citations, but in the very same post, make un un-cited assertion? Blink

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10-01-2015, 10:20 PM
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(10-01-2015 10:18 PM)diddo97 Wrote:  God can do whatever he wants.

Including being a moron, apparently.

That reminds me;

8. Why did your god put the tree in the garden when he, being all knowing, should know what was going to happen?

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10-01-2015, 10:22 PM
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(10-01-2015 10:18 PM)diddo97 Wrote:  
(10-01-2015 10:17 PM)CleverUsername Wrote:  Well, might as well get a few of the usual things out of the way;

1. Explain why your god had to sacrifice his kid when there was absolutely nothing stopping him from just forgiving people. He's all powerful. No one is known to be above him.

2. Explain why your god never heals amputees, a.k.a. a visible physical problem that has absolutely no way of fixing itself (unlike the diseases people claim your god heals).

3. Explain why natural disasters, and other catastrophes, wrack this planet all the time, killing thousands, if it's all overseen, controlled, and created by a loving god.

4. Explain why your god made a universe billions of trillions of light years in length if all he needed was this one little tiny speck (not even a speck, smaller) for his humans.

5. Explain why, if we are designed by your god who loves us, we have so many inherent problems in our designs, such as the fact that we eat and breath through the same tube.

6. Explain why your Bible claims the Earth is flat despite it clearly not being so. While you're at it, explain why it claims the Earth is stationary, and why it claims the moon gives off light.

7. Explain why your god, again supposedly all loving, gave detailed instructions on how to own slaves in his holy book.

God can do whatever he wants.

So your god is irrational and capricious ? Nice god ya got there, Diddles.
I thought a god was righteous and benevolent ? Is so, SHE can't.
Against what standard does you god decide what to do ?

Insufferable know-it-all.Einstein God has a plan for us. Please stop screwing it up with your prayers.
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10-01-2015, 10:23 PM
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(10-01-2015 10:12 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(10-01-2015 10:04 PM)AlephBet Wrote:  1.The primary means to evolution is how you define the word.

2. E in Latin means to emerge from.

1. External definition does not drive the process. Evolution occurs no matter how an observer defines it.
2. Not always. It can. The point being ? Irrelevant.

You presuppositions are showing.

Evolution is a result and not a cause. Involution is the cause, which is the other side of the duality. Hot is not far from cold. Each are temperature. By founding your belief on evolution, you may miss the other side of this process. Involution is what the Bible calls baptism, or entering the water so that you can rise to new life. Involution and evolution are ancient concepts that mirror what science notes by nonlocal consciousness. The Dirac Relativistic Quantum Wave Equation easily demonstrates that we are entangled between invariant symmetry and translational symmetry at the quantum level. Nothing changes, but is instead translated from the whole. This is what Volution is, which is primarily quantum current flow.

You say woo. I say look up my terms, then report back. Again, I have the proof to show you founded on a simple concept you have never heard. Look at my Avatar.
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10-01-2015, 10:23 PM
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(10-01-2015 10:12 PM)AlephBet Wrote:  If you were to give God the benefit of the doubt, what would his purpose be in allowing yeast when baking bread in the oven of trials?

You make many assumptions. How do you that I haven't.

See? Arrogance in assuming that if I believe enough...I would believe. No

I also wanted Santa to be true when I was a kid.

Quoting scriptures isn't the best way to convince a person who doesn't believe.

Would you suddenly be swayed by hearing a passage of Quran?
I doubt it.


But as if to knock me down, reality came around
And without so much as a mere touch, cut me into little pieces

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