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14-01-2015, 07:22 AM (This post was last modified: 14-01-2015 07:25 AM by AlephBet.)
RE: I am Believer - Challenge My Beliefs
(13-01-2015 10:47 PM)Free Wrote:  AlephBet,

At the end of the day, the only one who can challenge your beliefs is, as you know, yourself. Here you have gone through the furnace of affliction, but you are no better nor worse for it.

You came to speak, not to have a challenge. You hoped to educate, because you earnestly believe you have something extraordinary to share. And I understand the love you have, and so desperately want to give.

You are alone with your state of being, aside from what you believe is within you. Physically though, you are indeed alone. The human side of you is isolated.

All your words are meaningless if you do not understand that your humanity is far more important than all the words of the sages past and present. For their words cannot have any effect without your humanity.

You see, all those words you said only said one thing: "Have love for each other." That's all you said in this nearly 50 pages. You didn't need to say anything more.

So now i issue you a challenge.

Integrate.

That is all. Find your place here. Make a home.

Peace.

The life I live is filled with like-minded people. I live in a micropolitan area filled with 300,000 people of like mind. I work with amazing people as well. The extended family I share is like any other. Those who follow ego / emotions destroy themselves. Those who use intellect over emotion thrive.

You are implying there is no dividing line between this. There is. Faith is that dividing line. God is one of the others to love. It is like saying that you will work with anyone at your job except the CEO. In this case, the CEO is the most amazing coworker there is. Note that I did not say boss. This is not how God operates. This is how the EGO operates. God is Love.

There can be no rest for the heart if we hold hatred for the one who gives us the heart. Atheism is denial of the Spirit, which is an unforgivable sin if the mind dies without this realization. Why? The Spirit is all life and humanity. There is no humanity to embrace if you deny the very thing giving it life.

We are now at the most fundamental truth of my belief. We have narrowed it down to the point of my belief. Unless this can be challenged, we have demonstrated it as a truth worth embracing. This IS the root belief of faith.

Consciousness is universally copied from one to the other. It is the same thing repeated. Spirit must be made holy. Only a Holy Spirit has the intent to live by intellect rather than animal emotion. You can argue it differently if you choose, but the conversation here shows the difference. Lives crumbling under self-gratification shows the difference. If you could live with me for one week, you would know the difference.

And yes, Atheists can live by the intellect, having a wonderful life. At the heart of this life is the foundation of the Christian faith. Expressing it or not is beside the point. Christ came for the sick. The majority of this world needs the truth of the Self to realize it.

The Ego of nonbelief stands in the way of this. The ego of the believer stands in the way of this. Our humanity must recognize more than itself to know the truth. Scriptures can't tell you the final truth that I could never state in words alone. It must be self-realized. Again, the Upanishads shows you this, but only an internal change of heart can demonstrate it to you with proof. It's a gift that is accepted or denied.
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14-01-2015, 07:30 AM
RE: I am Believer - Challenge My Beliefs
Oh feck, it's not ChildEye again is it?

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14-01-2015, 07:38 AM
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(14-01-2015 07:22 AM)AlephBet Wrote:  
(13-01-2015 10:47 PM)Free Wrote:  AlephBet,

At the end of the day, the only one who can challenge your beliefs is, as you know, yourself. Here you have gone through the furnace of affliction, but you are no better nor worse for it.

You came to speak, not to have a challenge. You hoped to educate, because you earnestly believe you have something extraordinary to share. And I understand the love you have, and so desperately want to give.

You are alone with your state of being, aside from what you believe is within you. Physically though, you are indeed alone. The human side of you is isolated.

All your words are meaningless if you do not understand that your humanity is far more important than all the words of the sages past and present. For their words cannot have any effect without your humanity.

You see, all those words you said only said one thing: "Have love for each other." That's all you said in this nearly 50 pages. You didn't need to say anything more.

So now i issue you a challenge.

Integrate.

That is all. Find your place here. Make a home.

Peace.

The life I live is filled with like-minded people. I live in a micropolitan area filled with 300,000 people of like mind. I work with amazing people as well. The extended family I share is like any other. Those who follow ego / emotions destroy themselves. Those who use intellect over emotion thrive.

You are implying there is no dividing line between this. There is. Faith is that dividing line. God is one of the others to love. It is like saying that you will work with anyone at your job except the CEO. In this case, the CEO is the most amazing coworker there is. Note that I did not say boss. This is not how God operates. This is how the EGO operates. God is Love.

There can be no rest for the heart if we hold hatred for the one who gives us the heart. Atheism is denial of the Spirit, which is an unforgivable sin if the mind dies without this realization. Why? The Spirit is all life and humanity. There is no humanity to embrace if you deny the very thing giving it life.

We are now at the most fundamental truth of my belief. We have narrowed it down to the point of my belief. Unless this can be challenged, we have demonstrated it as a truth worth embracing. This IS the root belief of faith.

Consciousness is universally copied from one to the other. It is the same thing repeated. Spirit must be made holy. Only a Holy Spirit has the intent to live by intellect rather than animal emotion. You can argue it differently if you choose, but the conversation here shows the difference. Lives crumbling under self-gratification shows the difference. If you could live with me for one week, you would know the difference.

And yes, Atheists can live by the intellect, having a wonderful life. At the heart of this life is the foundation of the Christian faith. Expressing it or not is beside the point. Christ came for the sick. The majority of this world needs the truth of the Self to realize it.

The Ego of nonbelief stands in the way of this. The ego of the believer stands in the way of this. Our humanity must recognize more than itself to know the truth. Scriptures can't tell you the final truth that I could never state in words alone. It must be self-realized. Again, the Upanishads shows you this, but only an internal change of heart can demonstrate it to you with proof. It's a gift that is accepted or denied.

Your belief seems to make you happy and secure. Great for you, not so much for me. I prefer reality.

Are you here simply to proselytize?

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14-01-2015, 08:55 AM
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Quote:There can be no rest for the heart if we hold hatred for the one who gives us the heart.

Wow! After all of this time you still do not understand that we do not hate your god? Seriously. We don't. He/She/It/Whatever simply does not exist. How can one hate a mythical being? That's like saying we hate purple unicorns.
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14-01-2015, 10:07 AM
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(14-01-2015 07:22 AM)AlephBet Wrote:  The life I live is filled with like-minded people. I live in a micropolitan area filled with 300,000 people of like mind. I work with amazing people as well. The extended family I share is like any other. Those who follow ego / emotions destroy themselves. Those who use intellect over emotion thrive.

Can you tell me where that is?

Just so I don't ever accidentally drive through, you see.

(14-01-2015 07:22 AM)AlephBet Wrote:  You are implying there is no dividing line between this. There is. Faith is that dividing line. God is one of the others to love. It is like saying that you will work with anyone at your job except the CEO. In this case, the CEO is the most amazing coworker there is. Note that I did not say boss. This is not how God operates. This is how the EGO operates. God is Love.

There can be no rest for the heart if we hold hatred for the one who gives us the heart. Atheism is denial of the Spirit, which is an unforgivable sin if the mind dies without this realization. Why? The Spirit is all life and humanity. There is no humanity to embrace if you deny the very thing giving it life.

Oh, good. Nothing says "GOD IS LOVE" like unforgivable sin. How loving!

Denying the humanity of other human beings as you so love to do? Why, what could be a higher expression of love and understanding!

(14-01-2015 07:22 AM)AlephBet Wrote:  We are now at the most fundamental truth of my belief. We have narrowed it down to the point of my belief. Unless this can be challenged, we have demonstrated it as a truth worth embracing. This IS the root belief of faith.

You haven't even coherently articulated a belief, much less the truth of it.

(14-01-2015 07:22 AM)AlephBet Wrote:  Consciousness is universally copied from one to the other. It is the same thing repeated. Spirit must be made holy. Only a Holy Spirit has the intent to live by intellect rather than animal emotion. You can argue it differently if you choose, but the conversation here shows the difference. Lives crumbling under self-gratification shows the difference. If you could live with me for one week, you would know the difference.

I love the smell of word salad deepities in the morning.

Smells like... sanctimony.

(14-01-2015 07:22 AM)AlephBet Wrote:  And yes, Atheists can live by the intellect, having a wonderful life. At the heart of this life is the foundation of the Christian faith. Expressing it or not is beside the point. Christ came for the sick. The majority of this world needs the truth of the Self to realize it.

The Ego of nonbelief stands in the way of this. The ego of the believer stands in the way of this. Our humanity must recognize more than itself to know the truth. Scriptures can't tell you the final truth that I could never state in words alone. It must be self-realized. Again, the Upanishads shows you this, but only an internal change of heart can demonstrate it to you with proof. It's a gift that is accepted or denied.

For someone who rails against ego you sure seem to be in keen possession of one.

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14-01-2015, 10:39 AM
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(14-01-2015 10:07 AM)cjlr Wrote:  I love the smell of word salad deepities in the morning.

A song I was listening to this morning had a line that made me think of AB...

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14-01-2015, 10:42 AM
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(14-01-2015 07:22 AM)AlephBet Wrote:  
(13-01-2015 10:47 PM)Free Wrote:  AlephBet,

At the end of the day, the only one who can challenge your beliefs is, as you know, yourself. Here you have gone through the furnace of affliction, but you are no better nor worse for it.

You came to speak, not to have a challenge. You hoped to educate, because you earnestly believe you have something extraordinary to share. And I understand the love you have, and so desperately want to give.

You are alone with your state of being, aside from what you believe is within you. Physically though, you are indeed alone. The human side of you is isolated.

All your words are meaningless if you do not understand that your humanity is far more important than all the words of the sages past and present. For their words cannot have any effect without your humanity.

You see, all those words you said only said one thing: "Have love for each other." That's all you said in this nearly 50 pages. You didn't need to say anything more.

So now i issue you a challenge.

Integrate.

That is all. Find your place here. Make a home.

Peace.

The life I live is filled with like-minded people. I live in a micropolitan area filled with 300,000 people of like mind. I work with amazing people as well. The extended family I share is like any other. Those who follow ego / emotions destroy themselves. Those who use intellect over emotion thrive.

You are implying there is no dividing line between this. There is. Faith is that dividing line. God is one of the others to love. It is like saying that you will work with anyone at your job except the CEO. In this case, the CEO is the most amazing coworker there is. Note that I did not say boss. This is not how God operates. This is how the EGO operates. God is Love.

There can be no rest for the heart if we hold hatred for the one who gives us the heart. Atheism is denial of the Spirit, which is an unforgivable sin if the mind dies without this realization. Why? The Spirit is all life and humanity. There is no humanity to embrace if you deny the very thing giving it life.

We are now at the most fundamental truth of my belief. We have narrowed it down to the point of my belief. Unless this can be challenged, we have demonstrated it as a truth worth embracing. This IS the root belief of faith.

Consciousness is universally copied from one to the other. It is the same thing repeated. Spirit must be made holy. Only a Holy Spirit has the intent to live by intellect rather than animal emotion. You can argue it differently if you choose, but the conversation here shows the difference. Lives crumbling under self-gratification shows the difference. If you could live with me for one week, you would know the difference.

And yes, Atheists can live by the intellect, having a wonderful life. At the heart of this life is the foundation of the Christian faith. Expressing it or not is beside the point. Christ came for the sick. The majority of this world needs the truth of the Self to realize it.

The Ego of nonbelief stands in the way of this. The ego of the believer stands in the way of this. Our humanity must recognize more than itself to know the truth. Scriptures can't tell you the final truth that I could never state in words alone. It must be self-realized. Again, the Upanishads shows you this, but only an internal change of heart can demonstrate it to you with proof. It's a gift that is accepted or denied.

I know of no atheists who do not understand and employ the Ethic of Reciprocity (The Golden Rule) on a daily basis.

What I am trying to say is that you are speaking to a number of people who already believe in the core value of what you are saying. They simply employ that core value from a humanist position, as opposed to a theological position.

Therefore, there's really nothing more you can say with your theological views that we do not already know and understand from a humanist perspective.

Hence, no need for the theological gymnastics here. All that will do is create animosity between yourself and others, and according to you own beliefs, that cannot be a good thing.

You have already found a "humanistic" relationship with others here in regards to music. That is one example of integration. All I ask now is to explore more.

You can do this.

How can anyone become an atheist when we are all born with no beliefs in the first place? I am an atheist because it is the natural state of being we are all born into.
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14-01-2015, 11:27 AM
RE: I am Believer - Challenge My Beliefs
(14-01-2015 05:12 AM)H4ym4n Wrote:  
(10-01-2015 09:47 PM)AlephBet Wrote:  Challenge my beliefs.

Dare to enter the waters with me. Open wide and dive deep.

Why does the God you worship just watch and listen to the screams of babies and children being raped?

It only promises to take any action against the"sinner" after the sinner dies.

Did God have to rape a baby to declare it a sin to rape babies?

Does god/jesus every say raping babies is a sin?

What would you do if you came upon a child or baby being raped? Just watch and listen?

Too wide and deep for ya alephbet?
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14-01-2015, 01:47 PM
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(13-01-2015 10:05 PM)AlephBet Wrote:  Last comment tonight before hitting the pillow. There is more in this world that unites us than divides us. If we were to meet, we would be friends. The music you have posted shows this common bond. The Ego is the trap that causes us to judge God / Yahweh / the Son and all other beings each day. What I have tried to show you is simple. Relax. God is Love. He is all of us together.

Set your bias aside for one moment. Yahweh is clearly the ego of the Son of God in the Bible. It's a massive story that shows you how the LORD (Adonay) overcame and became the Lord (Adonai).

Two primary truths to take from the Bible about the God of Love (Father). He loves the Son. Can you be less loved than Yahweh, King David with all his flaws, Abraham leaving Hagar and Ishamel in a desert with a loaf of bread and jug of water and so on and and on and on repeated.... No. Can God love you less than your mother? No.

1 John 4

8 He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

1 Corinthians 13

4 Love is patient, love is kind. It does not envy, it does not boast, it is not proud. 5 It does not dishonor others, it is not self-seeking, it is not easily angered, it keeps no record of wrongs. 6 Love does not delight in evil but rejoices with the truth. 7 It always protects, always trusts, always hopes, always perseveres.

8 Love never fails. But where there are prophecies, they will cease; where there are tongues, they will be stilled; where there is knowledge, it will pass away. 9 For we know in part and we prophesy in part, 10 but when completeness comes, what is in part disappears. 11 When I was a child, I talked like a child, I thought like a child, I reasoned like a child. When I became a man, I put the ways of childhood behind me. 12 For now we see only a reflection as in a mirror; then we shall see face to face. Now I know in part; then I shall know fully, even as I am fully known.

13 And now these three remain: faith, hope and love. But the greatest of these is love.

No higher truth. Love keeps no records of wrongs. Only records of rights. Be what you desire.

Gospel of Philip

When the pearl is cast down into the mud, it becomes greatly despised, nor if it is anointed with balsam oil will it become more precious. But it always has value in the eyes of its owner. Compare the Sons of God: wherever they may be, they still have value in the eyes of their Father.

Find Love and you find God. Defeat Yahweh the right way. Silence Satan (accuser). Become the truth of Love. It's a gift we receive or refuse. It can't be taken.

Maybe practice #4 over & over.

Yanno..... just sayin.

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14-01-2015, 01:54 PM
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(14-01-2015 10:42 AM)Free Wrote:  
(14-01-2015 07:22 AM)AlephBet Wrote:  The life I live is filled with like-minded people. I live in a micropolitan area filled with 300,000 people of like mind. I work with amazing people as well. The extended family I share is like any other. Those who follow ego / emotions destroy themselves. Those who use intellect over emotion thrive.

You are implying there is no dividing line between this. There is. Faith is that dividing line. God is one of the others to love. It is like saying that you will work with anyone at your job except the CEO. In this case, the CEO is the most amazing coworker there is. Note that I did not say boss. This is not how God operates. This is how the EGO operates. God is Love.

There can be no rest for the heart if we hold hatred for the one who gives us the heart. Atheism is denial of the Spirit, which is an unforgivable sin if the mind dies without this realization. Why? The Spirit is all life and humanity. There is no humanity to embrace if you deny the very thing giving it life.

We are now at the most fundamental truth of my belief. We have narrowed it down to the point of my belief. Unless this can be challenged, we have demonstrated it as a truth worth embracing. This IS the root belief of faith.

Consciousness is universally copied from one to the other. It is the same thing repeated. Spirit must be made holy. Only a Holy Spirit has the intent to live by intellect rather than animal emotion. You can argue it differently if you choose, but the conversation here shows the difference. Lives crumbling under self-gratification shows the difference. If you could live with me for one week, you would know the difference.

And yes, Atheists can live by the intellect, having a wonderful life. At the heart of this life is the foundation of the Christian faith. Expressing it or not is beside the point. Christ came for the sick. The majority of this world needs the truth of the Self to realize it.

The Ego of nonbelief stands in the way of this. The ego of the believer stands in the way of this. Our humanity must recognize more than itself to know the truth. Scriptures can't tell you the final truth that I could never state in words alone. It must be self-realized. Again, the Upanishads shows you this, but only an internal change of heart can demonstrate it to you with proof. It's a gift that is accepted or denied.

I know of no atheists who do not understand and employ the Ethic of Reciprocity (The Golden Rule) on a daily basis.

What I am trying to say is that you are speaking to a number of people who already believe in the core value of what you are saying. They simply employ that core value from a humanist position, as opposed to a theological position.

Therefore, there's really nothing more you can say with your theological views that we do not already know and understand from a humanist perspective.

Hence, no need for the theological gymnastics here. All that will do is create animosity between yourself and others, and according to you own beliefs, that cannot be a good thing.

You have already found a "humanistic" relationship with others here in regards to music. That is one example of integration. All I ask now is to explore more.

You can do this.

A great post, Free. I hope your words are heeded. Smile

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