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20-11-2013, 05:01 AM
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I cant believe we have 12 pages on this, generated by someone who admits he didn't read much of I&I's posts. I think its obvious and self explanatory to anyone who has read his work. I never think anyone should be banned and its obvious to me why it happened (not saying I agree with it, but I get it.)

Why do you care? And, if it bugs you so much you have choices. You can choose to leave, for example. But, seriously, get over it and move on.

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20-11-2013, 05:47 AM
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(19-11-2013 08:30 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  ...
I am saying the banning should be justified with specific evidence and not some meaningless generalization like he repeatedly violated rule 5.

First, I agree with the above, in that transparency is a key pillar of good governance.

A few months back I got pissed off (a little) that the 'why xx was banned' thread had not been updated after what I thought was a commitment to do so.

I am pleased to see that the current team is making the effort to keep us informed at all.

If I haven't said it before, I will now... I appreciate the effort.

Second, some friendly advice:

The words 'shall' and 'should' are used in governance tomes that relate to compliance.

There is no 'should' about this.

It might be more profitable to request, via the forum suggestion thread, that a slightly more descriptive entry be made i.e. Repeated violation of Rule 5 with respect to ... etc.

I would like to see that too (although in this particular case it was blatantly obvious to anyone who had been paying attention).

But the forum team has no obligation to do this... there is no audit for compliance.

Put in a polite request using the proper process for the change you want to see.

Just declaring what you think 'should' happen will not get the result you want, I think.

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20-11-2013, 06:40 AM
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(20-11-2013 05:01 AM)BnW Wrote:  I cant believe we have 12 pages on this...

What? I wuz socializing... it was an active thread... I think I made a whole twenty posts without talking about that dang Gw - oh shit Blush

(20-11-2013 05:47 AM)DLJ Wrote:  
(19-11-2013 08:30 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  ...
I am saying the banning should be justified with specific evidence and not some meaningless generalization like he repeatedly violated rule 5.

First, I agree with the above, in that transparency is a key pillar of good governance.

I only agree to the extent that it is done, i.e. the ban log. "X wuz banned causa Y." And that ain't even a big deal. If I'm interested enough, I'll make a thread like this...

Or, you know, PM somebody. Dodgy

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20-11-2013, 07:18 AM
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(20-11-2013 03:05 AM)Lightvader Wrote:  
(19-11-2013 11:07 PM)Boysurroundedbymoms Wrote:  Well, I'll take your word for it. I haven't met any teenagers on here yet.

dude.you forgot me already?!?!

I apologize, I didn't know how old you are. I just assumed English wasn't your fist language.
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20-11-2013, 07:48 AM
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Buh bye I & I. Your loss is certainly our gain.
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20-11-2013, 08:22 AM
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I personally will miss IandI. He was very nice to me through PM and he seemed like a really nice guy. I am not surprised he got banned and I'm certainly not outraged by it. It makes sense when you look at it.

I do disagree with moms on this on though. If someone has a problem with the way things are done on this forum, then they should be welcome to express their concerns and/or ask for change. I certainly don't think it's right to say, if you don't like it then leave. People should be allowed to express their concerns and have their opinions taken seriously. That doesn't mean they have to get their way, but just that they should be allowed to ask for change if they think something is wrong or unfair. Members should be allowed to question mods and admins without being afraid of being banned themselves. Well, that's just my opinion though.
Who will PM me such awesome advice now that IandI is gone? Sad
I know he was an ass on the threads. I get why he was banned, but I will still miss him.

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20-11-2013, 09:23 AM
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In an attempt to be more transparent, I will elaborate:

We worked diligently with I&I to try and help him improve not only his forum experience but everyone else's. It was through this that I realized he wasn't here to participate. He was here to cause a disruption.

He was not banned for spam... let me just make that clear. He was asked to curtail the redundancy of his topics. We went into detail with him how his topics are similar in nature and to combine his thoughts into one topic.

We talked with him about his interactions with others and told him how he is perceived with the way he responds. We talked with him about possibly being a little nicer and more polite and people would start respecting that... in time... not at first, because he had already created his forum persona... he had to work to change it.

He completely ignored everything we told him and continued to disrupt the forum.

We suspended his thread making ability after he made continuous similar topics. As soon as it was reinstated he continued the behavior.

Our next step was going to be more restrictions to his thread making ability; however, the coding was rather complicated and it was going to require DT to create a whole new plugin just for I&I.

We were going through with this.

Aurora and I discussed things a bit and realized that I&I wasn't here to participate. He was here for one reason... to cause a disturbance. He puked all over the help and advice we gave him because it completely went against his own agenda.

As Nach_in said, he was clever... he knew how to skirt topics to make it seem like he wanted genuine conversation, but because of all the effort we put into I&I, it revealed that he wasn't here for those reasons... he was here to cause a disturbance.

Aurora and I decided that having DT do all this work for someone who was clearly here to troll was not a good use of one of our most valuable, irreplaceable, and priceless members (DT). He is busy enough keeping this forum healthy... he didn't need this added task for someone like I&I.

The decision to ban wasn't difficult. We had the sufficient evidence needed... plenty of it... thousands and thousands of words...

So it was done.

As for Rule 5, that came from Seth. When I had a the phone conversation with him about the pedo stuff, he asked me to implement Rule 5. He said anyone that causes malicious disturbance to the fabric of the forum needs to go.

So, that's what we did... but we made sure that we did what we could to spare I&I from this fate, as Aurora and I are very big on free speech. However, Seth pays the bills, and we have to abide by the rules as he requests.

In the end, I&I's presence was more negative to the forum than positive, and because of his obvious malicious intent, we enacted Rule 5.

I hope this satiates everyone's curiosity.

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20-11-2013, 09:27 AM
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(19-11-2013 07:30 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  [quote='Revenant77x' pid='421181' dateline='1384910639']

. . . Other than slam dunks like spam or sock puppets. . .

What the thor is a "sock puppet"???

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20-11-2013, 09:33 AM
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(20-11-2013 09:27 AM)RaisdCath Wrote:  
(19-11-2013 07:30 PM)Heywood Jahblome Wrote:  [quote='Revenant77x' pid='421181' dateline='1384910639']

. . . Other than slam dunks like spam or sock puppets. . .

What the thor is a "sock puppet"???

A secondary account.

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20-11-2013, 09:50 AM (This post was last modified: 20-11-2013 10:08 AM by Filox.)
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Ah good, I leave you people alone for a few days and to my surprise, you do something good this time.

Congratulations.

I shall leave you again, just to see what will happen now...


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