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07-12-2012, 01:43 PM
RE: I and I
(07-12-2012 01:40 PM)Vera Wrote:  [Image: Weed_N_Anarchy.jpg]
Please do not attempt to derail this until the discussion is finished. Drinking Beverage I want to see the administrations excuse for their trivializing and ignoring this issue, like they do they do to almost everyone.

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07-12-2012, 01:45 PM
RE: I and I
(07-12-2012 01:43 PM)Logica Humano Wrote:  Please do not attempt to derail this until the discussion is finished. Drinking Beverage I want to see the administrations excuse for their downplaying this issue.
That, dearest, was an illustration of the administrators' policy. Because a picture is worth a thousand (or thereabouts) words Drinking Beverage

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07-12-2012, 01:47 PM
RE: I and I
(07-12-2012 01:45 PM)Vera Wrote:  
(07-12-2012 01:43 PM)Logica Humano Wrote:  Please do not attempt to derail this until the discussion is finished. Drinking Beverage I want to see the administrations excuse for their downplaying this issue.
That, dearest, was an illustration of the administrators' policy. Because a picture is worth a thousand (or thereabouts) words Drinking Beverage
It is an attempt at derailment. I have been here for a year, I know how this forum operates.

Now, come on Erxomai. I want you to respond to my question.

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07-12-2012, 01:48 PM
RE: I and I
(07-12-2012 01:47 PM)Logica Humano Wrote:  
(07-12-2012 01:45 PM)Vera Wrote:  That, dearest, was an illustration of the administrators' policy. Because a picture is worth a thousand (or thereabouts) words Drinking Beverage
It is an attempt at derailment. I have been here for a year, I know how this forum operates.

Now, come on Erxomai. I want a reply.
Those were two pages ago, dear.

This was a genuine contribution to the discussion.

Cross my heart.

EDIT: Let me elaborate: That's a weed leaf and the anarchy sign.

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07-12-2012, 01:53 PM
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I am aware, and unamused. I apologize if I am being rude, but this is not the first time the administration abuses their powers, or choose to invalidate their users. I do not intend to be mocked so easily.

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07-12-2012, 01:55 PM
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I'm not responsible for their policy. Was just pointing it out. Thus, your beef ain't with me Yes

Truce?

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07-12-2012, 02:03 PM
RE: I and I
Again, what's really the issue here? No really? What is it that bothers you who are complaining?
Bishadi and Arctic were posting the same thing over and over again. AND, they were spoken to by Stark about keeping their topics limited to one thread if it was the same topic. They probably would've been tolerated, but both belligerently refused to heed the warning and both were extremely belligerent to the forum as a whole, so Stark put the banhammer on them.
I haven't seen I&I be mean spirited or belligerent. In fact, when he's not talking politics, his sense of humor is quite similar to my own and I enjoy it. I don't read his political stuff because I don't care for it. I find it bullshit, but I also find it food for thought sometimes. But for the most part, I ignore it, because that's how I live my life. If I don't like something, I don't participate in it.
As for starting topics that are the same thing, I & I started to do that the other day and I closed the thread and then contacted him to explain, "if you're already talking about capitalism, you've already got a thread for that." Okay, he was fine with that.
I look down the list you've created and I see that there are MAYBE a couple of topics that could be combined, but for the most part they are separate topics. Yes, they all carry the same slant. He wants to see a communist system and an end to capitalism and the US Industrial Military Complex that supports filling the pockets of the rich. You know what? That last part especially is not a bad argument. That's his over-riding philosophy so it appears in what he says about different events.
You know what? All of my topics carry the same slant. I have a personal distaste for religion. So I can post a football story and say it's stupid that players thank God. I can post a joke and say, see this laughs at god. I can tell a story and say I used to think it was God but now I see it's not. The thing is, most of you feel the way I do about religion so you find no problem with it. But in I&I's case, you find his arguments ridiculous so you go on a crusade to silence the voice of dissent.
Well, America was built upon the voices of dissent. So were many other countries around the world. Is TTA now a forum for silencing dissent and creating Groupthink? If it is, I'm outta here. So long and thanks for all the fish.
So, is it your proposal that from now on we limit forum members on the number of Threads that they can open? Because that's what you're implying in your complaint against I&I.
And calling me or my actions Daft? Call me and whatever the fuck I do what ever you want. I've done nothing wrong. I have not hurt you or slandered you or even the actual fuck directed my Rep of him to anyone else but him. You don't like it? I can't help that. I will say I'm sorry you don't like it, but I don't have to explain what I do unless I want to. I don't remember going around posting about other members asking why they said what they said or did what they did. You want to single me out because I'm admin, fine. I can deal with it.
Now, in general:
If anyone has an actual complaint, please make a cogent argument. Don't just say, So and So posts a lot and I don't like what s/he says, so ban him/her because I get butt hurt when I see people post things that I find ridiculous."

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07-12-2012, 02:07 PM
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Now, I've spent a good hour of my work day on this instead of work.
I'm sorry Logica that you're sitting in front of your computer waiting for an immediate response to your accusations. I probably won't respond to any more accusations. If you want me to explain my thoughts further, perhaps that will happen tomorrow or the next day.
Furthermore, if you don't like what I've said, I'm not the only admin here. Stark says we're equal, but you know what? I defer to him because whether he says so or not, the forum exists because of him, not because of me, so please do feel free to complain about me to him. I'll submit to his authority.

So, I think I've given ample warning that I won't be replying with any extensive answers until this weekend. I still have a job that I'm supposed to be concentrating on.
Thanks all.

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07-12-2012, 02:17 PM (This post was last modified: 07-12-2012 03:45 PM by Tartarus Sauce.)
RE: I and I
Sigh, of course we get into this sort of divisive bitterness when a hot button topic comes up.

Look, can we stop pointing fingers at people for being whiners or for being poor administrators or for trying to derail a thread? All of these little sub-squabbles kick the original issue out of focus.

Many of the members are tired of seeing what was once a lively sub-section of the forum become a ghost town of constructive discussion once one clown set up residence there. I and I, although always a dumbass, at least used to produce a greater variety of topics in more than just one sub-section, but now he has become a broken recored repeating the same shit over and over, and shitting out at least two or three clone threads a day.

The problem is that when these members receive the response of "stop being a whiner and just ignore him," their concerns haven't been addressed but on the contrary have been dismissed and overlooked in the favor of being labeled as a trivial thin-skinned crybaby. That isn't their main point, the main point is the effect his unhindered presence has caused is a forum section void of insightful discussion. This isn't just because of an increase in his active thread creation, but also because people have lost the incentive to create their own meaningful threads in that particular section.

Saying "just ignore him" is meaningless when the underlying irritation is the reluctance to post a thoughtful thread if you feel it will just be buried under shit 24 hours later. Instead of having a good insightful discussion, you get less traffic because

1. People are busy oogling the trainwrecks in the threads above and below.
2. A fear that the little shit himself might come in and derail your thread. Then nobody will be dedicating time to the original message at hand.

I'm not saying I know what the solution is, I'm just saying there is another problem at hand here other than just the fact that he is an annoying asshole. Perhaps he needs to be banned. Perhaps some of threads need to be locked. Perhaps we need to talk about the possibility of implementing an ignore thread feature or more specifically an ignore all threads created by [insert user here] feature. Perhaps we need to just make a communal agreement not to EVER respond to his replies anymore. I don't know what the solution is, but can we at least DISCUSS these options and acknowledge that there is a separate issue at hand (different from the fact that he is a pretentious twit) in which saying "sit down and shut up" to specific users doesn't actually apply?

The issue is that there has been a noticeable decrease in productive threads in the politics section (and I mean from VALUED members of the community, this is more than just the fact that I and I's thread shitting has increased) which can be directly correlated to the buffoon setting his incessant conspiracy shop up in the Politics section. The goal for us to set is to bring productive thread creation rates UP in that forum and what we should be discussing is HOW to go about achieving THAT goal.

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07-12-2012, 02:19 PM
RE: I and I
Sorry, back for one last rant.
To those who think I "abused" my Admin power for giving I&I +4 rep:
Fuck Rep.
Thank you of those who have said so many nice things to and about me in the past year. Each comment has meant a lot to me. But you know what? The rep number is bullshit and I've put my words and feelings into action.
Now, what's for lunch and how can I make up for this wasted morning at work?

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