I believe in a higher power, but I love & respect all views & welcome friendly debate
Post Reply
 
Thread Rating:
  • 0 Votes - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
10-01-2012, 01:48 PM
RE: I believe in a higher power, but I love & respect all views & welcome friendly debate
(10-01-2012 01:26 PM)Thatweirdkid Wrote:  Gay marriage-I believe that gay marriage is not the definition of marriage that the Bible has and therefore disagree with it.

The civil definition of marriage does not have to conform to the Bible.

Quote:But I am not completely convinced on this. I am not gay and I love and respect gay people, but when their life overlaps mine, I do not like this. For example, if a gay guy where to ask me out. That would not fly. But I am commanded to love them and choose too. They are human too after all.
But I do not believe people are "born gay".

It has been proven quite conclusively that people are born gay.

Quote:Do you approve of government to be entirely separated from religion?
I think the government should not interfere with Religious organizations except to collect taxes.

Religious organizations are exempt from taxes, but we'll happily tax them if you'd like.

Quote: However I think the Government shouldn't just decide where they want to send the money. They should let the people that pay choose and then make sure they give it. That's just my opinion though.

That is not practical. Does everyone get a direct say in what their taxes get spent on? The way you get a say is by voting.

Quote: And I think that originally Religion was in government but that was when the majority could decide and agree on how much one could say about god to an extent that it didn't offend anyone. I think now the Government should not implement special recognition of any religion or lack of religion in it's affairs. The common good should come first.

The Constitution of the U.S.A. was written by men of the Enlightenment and specifically kept religion out of government. There is no mention of any gods in the Constitution.

Quote:Major reasons for why you believe in a deity/higher power?
I believe in a God majorly because my mind for some reason cannot think of this universe possibly existing without something behind it. I find it much easier to believe that God can take nothing and make something than for something to come from nothing on its own. This disagrees with the 1st law of thermodynamics. matter can only change forms and can't be created or destroyed. I think God can do things we can't so He created matter. I do not believe even when there was nothing there was matter. Either you believe matter has always been, coming from nowhere but still being there somehow, or you believe a supernatural being has always been there that loves you and cares about you and gives you a purpose.

Quantum Mechanics is the appropriate physics to look at. There is no violation of Thermodynamics.

Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method.
[Image: flagstiny%206.gif]
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
10-01-2012, 02:37 PM
RE: I believe in a higher power, but I love & respect all views & welcome friendly debate
From a Christian to another Christian, I would like to ask/talk about some of your beliefs.

(10-01-2012 01:26 PM)Thatweirdkid Wrote:  Gay marriage-I believe that gay marriage is not the definition of marriage that the Bible has and therefore disagree with it. But I am not completely convinced on this. I am not gay and I love and respect gay people, but when their life overlaps mine, I do not like this. For example, if a gay guy where to ask me out. That would not fly. But I am commanded to love them and choose too. They are human too after all.
But I do not believe people are "born gay".

1) Marriage, although originates from religion (religion, not Christianity), is no longer a religious rite. Since the government has decided to bestow special tax privileges in conjunction with marriage, it can no longer be a special rite for a specific group of people. The Constitution says that all people are created equal, so now, this is a civil right because you are denying people equality.

2) How exactly is marriage defined by God? Do you really think God defines marriage by a ceremony and a church service? Do you really think God only acknowledges a marriage when a minister says "I now pronounce you..."? Or, do you think that a marriage is when a man and woman make a covenant (the highest form of swearing) with each other to be with each other the rest of their lives? I believe that this is the marriage that God ordained, and yes, between a man and woman.

3) God's view of marriage and the US' view of marriage are drastically different. God only recognizes marriages that He ordained. Not all heterosexual marriages are ordained by God; the same with gay marriage. If this is the case, why should these heterosexual people receive tax privileges and not gay people?

The marriage ceremony isn't ordained by God and doesn't cause God to recognize a marriage. With that out of the way, there is absolutely no reason why a US human being should be denied a civil right.

4) There is substantial evidence that homosexuality is genetic; just like hermaphrodites. They are born that way. They are gay by no choice of their own.

Quote:Do you approve of government to be entirely separated from religion?- I think the government should not interfere with Religious organizations except to collect taxes. However I think the Government shouldn't just decide where they want to send the money. They should let the people that pay choose and then make sure they give it. That's just my opinion though. And I think that originally Religion was in government but that was when the majority could decide and agree on how much one could say about god to an extent that it didn't offend anyone. I think now the Government should not implement special recognition of any religion or lack of religion in it's affairs. The common good should come first.

1) The majority of our founding fathers were deists; not Christian.
2) Religion is intentionally left out of the Constitution.
3) Religion should remain outside of all government. Government shouldn't interfere with religion and vice versa.
4) The last time there was a government that was based on religion it didn't turn out too great for anyone. The last theocracy totally corrupted the message of Christianity.

[Image: dog-shaking.gif]
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 1 user Likes kingschosen's post
10-01-2012, 02:45 PM
RE: I believe in a higher power, but I love & respect all views & welcome friendly debate
(10-01-2012 02:37 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  From a Christian to another Christian, I would like to ask/talk about some of your beliefs.

(10-01-2012 01:26 PM)Thatweirdkid Wrote:  Gay marriage-I believe that gay marriage is not the definition of marriage that the Bible has and therefore disagree with it. But I am not completely convinced on this. I am not gay and I love and respect gay people, but when their life overlaps mine, I do not like this. For example, if a gay guy where to ask me out. That would not fly. But I am commanded to love them and choose too. They are human too after all.
But I do not believe people are "born gay".

1) Marriage, although originates from religion (religion, not Christianity), is no longer a religious rite. Since the government has decided to bestow special tax privileges in conjunction with marriage, it can no longer be a special rite for a specific group of people. The Constitution says that all people are created equal, so now, this is a civil right because you are denying people equality.

2) How exactly is marriage defined by God? Do you really think God defines marriage by a ceremony and a church service? Do you really think God only acknowledges a marriage when a minister says "I now pronounce you..."? Or, do you think that a marriage is when a man and woman make a covenant (the highest form of swearing) with each other to be with each other the rest of their lives? I believe that this is the marriage that God ordained, and yes, between a man and woman.

3) God's view of marriage and the US' view of marriage are drastically different. God only recognizes marriages that He ordained. Not all heterosexual marriages are ordained by God; the same with gay marriage. If this is the case, why should these heterosexual people receive tax privileges and not gay people?

The marriage ceremony isn't ordained by God and doesn't cause God to recognize a marriage. With that out of the way, there is absolutely no reason why a US human being should be denied a civil right.

4) There is substantial evidence that homosexuality is genetic; just like hermaphrodites. They are born that way. They are gay by no choice of their own.

Quote:Do you approve of government to be entirely separated from religion?- I think the government should not interfere with Religious organizations except to collect taxes. However I think the Government shouldn't just decide where they want to send the money. They should let the people that pay choose and then make sure they give it. That's just my opinion though. And I think that originally Religion was in government but that was when the majority could decide and agree on how much one could say about god to an extent that it didn't offend anyone. I think now the Government should not implement special recognition of any religion or lack of religion in it's affairs. The common good should come first.

1) The majority of our founding fathers were deists; not Christian.
2) Religion is intentionally left out of the Constitution.
3) Religion should remain outside of all government. Government shouldn't interfere with religion and vice versa.
4) The last time there was a government that was based on religion it didn't turn out too great for anyone. The last theocracy totally corrupted the message of Christianity.

I agree with quite a majority of this, it's just I didn't put the words together right. Government and Religion should be separate. As for the scientifically proven gay people are born gay, I am just not sure. So until I know for sure I will just not bring it up. I know the majority of the founders were deists. They still believed in God just that He created and abandoned. And God's view of marriage differs from the US definition I know.

But I surely won't claim to know everything. Far from it. But I do believe I know the one who does know everything.
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
10-01-2012, 03:03 PM
RE: I believe in a higher power, but I love & respect all views & welcome friendly debate
(10-01-2012 02:45 PM)Thatweirdkid Wrote:  I agree with quite a majority of this, it's just I didn't put the words together right. Government and Religion should be separate. As for the scientifically proven gay people are born gay, I am just not sure. So until I know for sure I will just not bring it up. I know the majority of the founders were deists. They still believed in God just that He created and abandoned. And God's view of marriage differs from the US definition I know.

But I surely won't claim to know everything. Far from it. But I do believe I know the one who does know everything.
Boy, first, will you make some work from quoting, I become crazy from your posts. Sad

Second, 'So until I know for sure I will just not bring it up.', well that is the easy part, put your brains and memory from the nightstand and start researching.
Take some sheets from some proofed scientist and learn.
And forget what your priest yells every Sunday.
You shall see, it is not so difficult.

Note: To send this message, no trees cut down,
although there are many electrons severely hindered.
All the bits are reused.

Future World

73 Jim .--. . .---- .-. . .- PE1REA
Email, put amsat dot org behind the call
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 1 user Likes Jim's post
10-01-2012, 03:07 PM
RE: I believe in a higher power, but I love & respect all views & welcome friendly debate
What do you mean by ''not sure''on the homosexuality being a choice?
Is it because you think there's still not enough evidence or because it contradicts with your belief?
To specify corporal punishment,it usage of physical force on children disobeying their parents,guardians and teachers.
You left out opinion on abortion.By the way.

The meaning of peace is the absence of opposition to socialism.
-Karl Marx


Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
10-01-2012, 03:27 PM
RE: I believe in a higher power, but I love & respect all views & welcome friendly debate
(08-01-2012 11:20 PM)morondog Wrote:  
(08-01-2012 10:22 PM)Chas Wrote:  And be warned - it can get rough and raunchy in here amongst the godless, baby-eating heathens. Cool

Waaaa! Waaa-*Crunch!*.

...

*Cooking noises*

...

nom nom nom

mmm....

I like mine roasted with veggies

[Image: baby-in-a-cooking-pot-thumb17727343.jpg]

[Image: boston-terrier-gets-scared.gif]
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 1 user Likes tazmin98's post
10-01-2012, 03:28 PM
RE: I believe in a higher power, but I love & respect all views & welcome friendly debate
(10-01-2012 02:45 PM)Thatweirdkid Wrote:  ... As for the scientifically proven gay people are born gay, I am just not sure. So until I know for sure I will just not bring it up.

You don't have to "know for sure" - you just have to have a supportable argument.

Just saying "I don't believe <whatever>" isn't good enough - not for you and not for me.

I don't know there isn't a god and you don't know that there is. I don't believe there is a god because I see no evidence for that hypothesis and I see plenty of evidence against.

Quote:But I surely won't claim to know everything. Far from it. But I do believe I know the one who does know everything.

But you don't know - you believe.

Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method.
[Image: flagstiny%206.gif]
Visit this user's website Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
10-01-2012, 03:33 PM
RE: I believe in a higher power, but I love & respect all views & welcome friendly debate
(10-01-2012 02:45 PM)Thatweirdkid Wrote:  And God's view of marriage differs from the US definition I know.

So, why are you against gay marriage?

[Image: dog-shaking.gif]
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
10-01-2012, 03:46 PM
RE: I believe in a higher power, but I love & respect all views & welcome friendly debate
(10-01-2012 03:28 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(10-01-2012 02:45 PM)Thatweirdkid Wrote:  ... As for the scientifically proven gay people are born gay, I am just not sure. So until I know for sure I will just not bring it up.

You don't have to "know for sure" - you just have to have a supportable argument.

Just saying "I don't believe <whatever>" isn't good enough - not for you and not for me.

I don't know there isn't a god and you don't know that there is. I don't believe there is a god because I see no evidence for that hypothesis and I see plenty of evidence against.

Quote:But I surely won't claim to know everything. Far from it. But I do believe I know the one who does know everything.

But you don't know - you believe.

Haha man I really have to choose my words carefully. I will agree with the "I don't know there isn't a god and you don't know there is". I have no proof to say that their is other than my belief that I know of which apparently doesn't cut it. But you can't prove there is no god? You just take the evidence and it tells you that, chances are more towards there isn't a god? And until you see evidence for instead of against god you wont believe in him? That makes sense. I'm sorry if I sound mean by asking these questions. I'm simply trying to better understand your beliefs. I'm very new to this. Hahaha
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
10-01-2012, 03:50 PM
RE: I believe in a higher power, but I love & respect all views & welcome friendly debate
(10-01-2012 03:46 PM)Thatweirdkid Wrote:  Haha man I really have to choose my words carefully. I will agree with the "I don't know there isn't a god and you don't know there is". I have no proof to say that their is other than my belief that I know of which apparently doesn't cut it. But you can't prove there is no god? You just take the evidence and it tells you that, chances are more towards there isn't a god? And until you see evidence for instead of against god you wont believe in him? That makes sense. I'm sorry if I sound mean by asking these questions. I'm simply trying to better understand your beliefs. I'm very new to this. Hahaha

rofl

You're innocently about to revitalize one of the most mind-numbing, horse-beating debates ever.

dun dun dunnn

BURDEN OF PROOF

[Image: dog-shaking.gif]
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
Post Reply
Forum Jump: