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I came up a theological/philosophical argument and I want it debunked.
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31-05-2013, 03:30 PM (This post was last modified: 31-05-2013 03:34 PM by tear151.)
RE: I came up a theological/philosophical argument and I want it debunked.
(31-05-2013 03:06 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(31-05-2013 02:46 PM)tear151 Wrote:  right I get you now, my analogy of a computer was obviously flawed but I knew that already, also again I'm still in high school so my science education isn't exactly... expert.

Well, you're obviously VERY bright. You have a lot of fun stuff to find out about. Brain chemistry is just beginning to be understood. I think 2 men were given Nobel prizes last year for their work on the genetics of how exactly memories get stored. It's very complex, as it involves so many parts ... sight, sound, etc etc. It's a very interesting subject.

but to clarify do we know the nature of consciousness yet, also thank you I rarely recieve compliments, christians usually call me retarded and misguided Undecided, my greatest fear is being 30 and hating myself as I am now.
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31-05-2013, 04:34 PM
I came up a theological/philosophical argument and I want it debunked.
I'm not sure I agree with the mention of DNA/RNA earlier. It seemed to suggest thus played a role in memory I don't think is accurate. The DNA does have code describing the mechanism for recording memories, but I believe it's the physical structure of the tissue itself which is responsible for the recording. Memories are not recorded in DNA. And even here I use the word "record" loosely, of course.

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31-05-2013, 04:35 PM
I came up a theological/philosophical argument and I want it debunked.
And sometimes memories are recorded redundantly. Like my posts. =)

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31-05-2013, 04:39 PM
I came up a theological/philosophical argument and I want it debunked.
Consider a possibly more appropriate analogy to the ever changing physical tissue of the brain:

A nations is made up of thousands of people. America today contains not a single person it consisted of 200 years ago. And yet it manages to retain most of its sense of "nation" in those who survive today. Sure, it's not the same today as it was 200 years ago. New ideas have been introduced, and many hard lessons have been learned in the interim.

But, I put it to you you, that you are not the same person you were 7 years ago. Are you?

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31-05-2013, 04:39 PM
RE: I came up a theological/philosophical argument and I want it debunked.
(31-05-2013 04:35 PM)Cardinal Smurf Wrote:  And sometimes memories are recorded redundantly. Like my posts. =)

Actually it is recorded in DNA. I'll look for the link to the program where the Nobel winners explained how they proved that. That was the subject of their winning paper. I'll post it here later. It's about "energetics", as I recall. I think Girly knows a lot about it.

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01-06-2013, 05:02 PM
I came up a theological/philosophical argument and I want it debunked.
(31-05-2013 04:39 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(31-05-2013 04:35 PM)Cardinal Smurf Wrote:  And sometimes memories are recorded redundantly. Like my posts. =)

Actually it is recorded in DNA. I'll look for the link to the program where the Nobel winners explained how they proved that. That was the subject of their winning paper. I'll post it here later. It's about "energetics", as I recall. I think Girly knows a lot about it.

Memories are not recorded in your DNA.
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01-06-2013, 05:42 PM
RE: I came up a theological/philosophical argument and I want it debunked.
(01-06-2013 05:02 PM)I and I Wrote:  
(31-05-2013 04:39 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Actually it is recorded in DNA. I'll look for the link to the program where the Nobel winners explained how they proved that. That was the subject of their winning paper. I'll post it here later. It's about "energetics", as I recall. I think Girly knows a lot about it.

Memories are not recorded in your DNA.

Well if you, (the most educated scientist, and expert here, who knows everything), say so, then it must not be.
Oh wait. Weeping
http://www.stanford.edu/class/ee373b/cog...emory2.pdf
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20...r-dna.html
http://www.sciencefriday.com/segment/10/...emory.html

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01-06-2013, 06:11 PM
I came up a theological/philosophical argument and I want it debunked.
(01-06-2013 05:42 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(01-06-2013 05:02 PM)I and I Wrote:  Memories are not recorded in your DNA.

Well if you, (the most educated scientist, and expert here, who knows everything), say so, then it must not be.
Oh wait. Weeping
http://www.stanford.edu/class/ee373b/cog...emory2.pdf
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20...r-dna.html
http://www.sciencefriday.com/segment/10/...emory.html

Link 1 ends with a conclusion summary labeled Wild Guesses. It was also written by someone from the Electrical Engineering Dept.

Link 2 appears to be behind a paywall.

Link 3 doesn't work on my phone, but since it's actually a broadcast referencing research could you not have hunted down that paper and linked it for us?

I truly am interested in hearing about this. It's intriguing. But, instill find it dubious and he materials you have provided so far are not overly compelling.

In any case, I think we helped the OP out regardless. Not sure it matters to him.

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01-06-2013, 06:30 PM (This post was last modified: 01-06-2013 06:36 PM by Bucky Ball.)
RE: I came up a theological/philosophical argument and I want it debunked.
(01-06-2013 06:11 PM)Cardinal Smurf Wrote:  
(01-06-2013 05:42 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Well if you, (the most educated scientist, and expert here, who knows everything), say so, then it must not be.
Oh wait. Weeping
http://www.stanford.edu/class/ee373b/cog...emory2.pdf
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20...r-dna.html
http://www.sciencefriday.com/segment/10/...emory.html

Link 1 ends with a conclusion summary labeled Wild Guesses. It was also written by someone from the Electrical Engineering Dept.

Link 2 appears to be behind a paywall.

Link 3 doesn't work on my phone, but since it's actually a broadcast referencing research could you not have hunted down that paper and linked it for us?

I truly am interested in hearing about this. It's intriguing. But, instill find it dubious and he materials you have provided so far are not overly compelling.

In any case, I think we helped the OP out regardless. Not sure it matters to him.

Yeah, or maybe you could have looked for it yourself.
http://www.npr.org/2012/10/05/162372195/...our-memory
http://www.med.upenn.edu/apps/faculty/in...275/p94335

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01-06-2013, 07:06 PM
I came up a theological/philosophical argument and I want it debunked.
(01-06-2013 05:42 PM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  
(01-06-2013 05:02 PM)I and I Wrote:  Memories are not recorded in your DNA.

Well if you, (the most educated scientist, and expert here, who knows everything), say so, then it must not be.
Oh wait. Weeping
http://www.stanford.edu/class/ee373b/cog...emory2.pdf
http://www.newscientist.com/article/mg20...r-dna.html
http://www.sciencefriday.com/segment/10/...emory.html

Do you know the difference between DNA and memory? What you remember is not determine by and has nothing to do with DNA. Woo woo and science has been gettin it on at motel 6 the past decades.
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