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29-03-2013, 11:42 AM
RE: I can not only prove the existence of God I can prove the one true God! Welcome!
(29-03-2013 11:36 AM)rbmead1960 Wrote:  
(29-03-2013 11:04 AM)Adenosis Wrote:  Mormonism deviates fromt he truth? How do you know this? Aseptic gave you a quote! Surely that should be proof of that religions validity?

If God is omnipotent, he didn't need to have a child (who is himself) and sacrifice that child (himself) to himself, as a loophole for original sin we inherit from Adam (the dirt man). He could have gotten rid of original sin, he could have used any other method.

Your believing a loony fairy tale from a superstitious time where we lacked scientific inquiry. If here really is a god, he is nothing like the contradictory, twisted, and psychopathic god of the bible.


1) Present a coherent argument (something you have yet to do at all) for free will.
2) How am I rejecting him? You haven't introduced me to him. P.s. watch this http://youtu.be/-j8ZMMuu7MU
3) So things happen that don't abide by gods plan?
4) No, he really doesn't. You interpret common daily experience as evidence for god. If your beliefs don't mirror reality then your perception is going to be off.

Imagine wanting it to rain, and it rains! oh my god! a miracle!?

No. Sometimes IT RAINS.

Hear say stories and rare occurances are proof of god to believers, but looking at this from an unbias point of view shows how ridiculous this 'evidence' for his existence is. You can't prove god, no one can. I find it funny how you come in here being deceptive like many others. Is that the kind of behavior your god condones? if so, even IF he does exist, he can fuck off.


How about Exodus 21 and slaves, do you think god wanted us to keep slaves?

Many things can be difficult for mankind. Often the same thing can have a right an wrong way. It is wrong to steal/ right only for forging food. Killing people is wrong/ defending your life or your country is right. Easting food is right/ wrong to eat too much. The list goes on. That is why mankind is confused by God, we choose to reject instead of seeking out truth and proper application. If you wife was dying and needed to be taken to the hospital would you obey the speed limits or instead choose to rush and go over the speed limit? We all would speed, and no officer would ticket you. He would give you an escort. See you can find a wrong and right in almost all things.

I would hope if your wife were dying you wouldn't waste precious time attemting to drive her to the hospital yourself. I would hope that you'd call 911 and follow their instructions.


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And without so much as a mere touch, cut me into little pieces

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29-03-2013, 11:43 AM
RE: I can not only prove the existence of God I can prove the one true God! Welcome!
(29-03-2013 11:09 AM)houseofcantor Wrote:  
(29-03-2013 10:49 AM)Revenant77x Wrote:  Srsly why can't anyone even attempt an answer to some basic questions? I remember sitting in church at the age of 10 thinking about if god is so loving how come he punishes all these people that never even got a chance to hear his message. Ie: the Incas and the Aztecs pre-spanish invasion. That was the first step I ever took to the total rejection of christianity and ultimatly to becoming an atheist. I still have never heard a reasonable explaination for either that or the question I posed to our truely substandard appologist.

There is an answer. Having seen "the creator of the universe," the first impression was - this ain't nothing to be contained in the human mind. I remember being infused with "Holy Spirit;" mind being expanded by an order of magnitude just so I could sit there and go, "duh." Concerns about "human suffering" relate to the amount of concern faced by the scientist fucking with e-coli. Which leads to two inescapable conclusions:

Unknowable, as stated by all scripture I've encountered.
Irrelevant, as stated by Doc X repeatedly.

And that shit don't fill the pews nor the collection plates. This "Identity of god" is only an exercise in human ego, as clearly stated by the OP with his moral indignation at belittlement even though he is a "man of god."

Dumbass. In the sense of tao, we all are, only some of us do not rest on our entitlement. Some of us question shit. Just like Buddha said. You know, Buddha, the atheist? Big Grin

God is definitely not UNKNOWABLE and IRRELEVANT! His ways are TIMELESS because they are RIGHTEOUS (totally right). there are more and tangible evidence to the proof of God's existence. It is an accumulation of God's brief and continual interventions on man's benefit.
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29-03-2013, 11:45 AM
RE: I can not only prove the existence of God I can prove the one true God! Welcome!
(29-03-2013 11:43 AM)rbmead1960 Wrote:  
(29-03-2013 11:09 AM)houseofcantor Wrote:  There is an answer. Having seen "the creator of the universe," the first impression was - this ain't nothing to be contained in the human mind. I remember being infused with "Holy Spirit;" mind being expanded by an order of magnitude just so I could sit there and go, "duh." Concerns about "human suffering" relate to the amount of concern faced by the scientist fucking with e-coli. Which leads to two inescapable conclusions:

Unknowable, as stated by all scripture I've encountered.
Irrelevant, as stated by Doc X repeatedly.

And that shit don't fill the pews nor the collection plates. This "Identity of god" is only an exercise in human ego, as clearly stated by the OP with his moral indignation at belittlement even though he is a "man of god."

Dumbass. In the sense of tao, we all are, only some of us do not rest on our entitlement. Some of us question shit. Just like Buddha said. You know, Buddha, the atheist? Big Grin

God is definitely not UNKNOWABLE and IRRELEVANT! His ways are TIMELESS because they are RIGHTEOUS (totally right). there are more and tangible evidence to the proof of God's existence. It is an accumulation of God's brief and continual interventions on man's benefit.


And your evidence for this is ... ?

I thought so; you have none.
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29-03-2013, 11:46 AM
RE: I can not only prove the existence of God I can prove the one true God! Welcome!
Tell me is your constant and insisant use of caps, an attempt to curry favor with your god?

There is a term for that...it's called topping from the bottom.

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29-03-2013, 11:49 AM
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(28-03-2013 07:17 PM)rbmead1960 Wrote:  I asked if you believe that it is wrong/right to kill, steal or lie?
It is neither right nor wrong to kill, steal, or lie. Rightness and wrongness are words and concepts created by human beings. Their meanings are significant only in the context of each society. Fortunately, those societal meanings tend to overlap with each other in most cases giving the illusion of universal origin, but that is only because they mostly stem from what is good for humanity as a whole. Thus, we all have that in common. What animal do you suppose has sinned by killing or stealing from another animal? Think about it... If there were absolute universal moral laws, it would apply to every living being in the universe.

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29-03-2013, 11:49 AM
RE: I can not only prove the existence of God I can prove the one true God! Welcome!
(29-03-2013 11:46 AM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  Tell me is your constant and insisant use of caps, an attempt to curry favor with your god?

There is a term for that...it's called topping from the bottom.

Shoo fly

"topping from the bottom"?

The voice of experience? Consider

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29-03-2013, 11:51 AM
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(29-03-2013 10:19 AM)houseofcantor Wrote:  Want a better "proof?"

The prophet begins the Genesis account by stating creation, but god's first line is "let there be light."

And when we try to look back to origins, we find that the early quark-gluon plasma is opaque to electromagnetic radiation.

BOOM! HEADSHOT! CHECKMATE ATHEISTS!!!!!#!!!!!LOLHERPDERP

(cause it ain't a proof of god without capslock.)

But what is actually the only thing thus validated, class? The cleverness of the interpreter. You're not even validating that...

You forget that the phrase "Let there be light" was not about light. God does not need light. It was a phrase that meant "let us get this party started."
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29-03-2013, 11:54 AM
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(29-03-2013 10:22 AM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  
(29-03-2013 10:08 AM)rbmead1960 Wrote:  So you want to prove God? Than would you believe that the Bible is a factual account in the Book of Genesis? Or Does God need to lie when speaking his message to mankind? Can we agree that Genesis is a historical account of events?
I mean, you guys seem to always quote the Bible. So I ought to be able to use it on a limited basis.

Did you look up Laminin and see you how it relates to Colossians 1:17 "holds" "consists" or keep things together, intact?

The bible is made up of stories from even older myths and legends (from genesis on) All the "holidays" you cling to are pagan. The reasons were twisted around like a pretzel but it doesn't change the facts. It wasn't written or inspired by a 'one true god,' the stories were repackaged for the changing times.

Like the New Star Trek movies.

Crap forgot to say...
Shoo fly

what are these myths and legends that you speak of? Please tell me, were you there. Where is this first hand knowledge. Collaboration to your claim?
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29-03-2013, 11:56 AM
RE: I can not only prove the existence of God I can prove the one true God! Welcome!
(29-03-2013 11:49 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(29-03-2013 11:46 AM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  Tell me is your constant and insisant use of caps, an attempt to curry favor with your god?

There is a term for that...it's called topping from the bottom.

Shoo fly

"topping from the bottom"?

The voice of experience? Consider

Well, in this case, it's painted with very broad strokes. There is some knowledge tho. Smile


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29-03-2013, 11:56 AM
RE: I can not only prove the existence of God.
(29-03-2013 09:55 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(29-03-2013 09:51 AM)rbmead1960 Wrote:  Funny how you (little man such as I) could possibly declare the Creator of the world as "pissed off." I would acknowledge that he is RIGHTEOUS in his JUDGMENT, HOLY in His CHARACTER and EVERLASTING CONSISTENT in his DISCIPLINE. Always two ways to look at something. Just like when you are 16 and think your parents are "crazy" and then at 26 they look so much smarter. Who changed??



Isn't it just a wee bit arrogant, you speaking for god?Consider

No, I commanded to be a messenger to speak for him. He is the one who receives all the glory! Not me, in the least.
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