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29-03-2013, 11:16 AM
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(29-03-2013 10:16 AM)Revenant77x Wrote:  Ok tell ya what we'll start ya off with a softball easy question that maybe you'll have an answer to. In Mathew the book begins with a long geneology leading from David to Joseph and then Jesus (putting aside the fact that the geneology is wrong and impossible) if Jesus was in fact born without intervention by man in a virgin birth why does such a geneology matter? Also if the bible is truth (as you claim) how can both claims be true since the reason for the included geneology is to prove that Jesus is of the bloodline of David and that was a requirement to fullfil the phrophesies?
OUTSTANDING QUESTION! A regular GOLD STAR. This is awesome. You see the parents of Jesus were to be of the lineage of David, and since Joseph did not take place in the pro-creating of Jesus Christ (which was needed to make sure Jesus was not born with a sin nature) and Mary and Joseph were not married when she was impregnated, it is important that both geneologies are presented. Matthew does Joseph's and Luke does Mary's. Please remember that of the 4 Gospels each book was written with a different theme. So Joseph was his half-father or adopted father due to marriage, and Mary is his maternal mother. BOTH of the lineage of David. Luke being the Doctor scholarly type (very meticulous) provides Mary's lineage back to Adam.

You are right that the Messiah had to be of the lineage of David. Absolutely!
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29-03-2013, 11:22 AM
RE: I can not only prove the existence of God I can prove the one true God! Welcome!
(29-03-2013 10:39 AM)Anjele Wrote:  If this god is so damn powerful, why can't he send smarter people on these recruiting missions?

Why not choose only the best of the best? What am I missing?

If god only wants people that can understand those like rbmead, that's the level he seeks, then he doesn't have very high standards. Yet another reson I will pass.

Hmmm...a club with the pleasejesus, rbmead, Ego®, IcanproveIamChrist crowd...thanks, but no.

Thanks I guess. You see according to 1 Corinthians 1:26-31 God chooses not many that are highly talented to confuse the wise and ultimately give GLORY to Him. That people would focus on the message and not the messenger. that the message was so profound that the listener would know that it was of God and not this "stooge." So excuse my ignorance. I am not all knowing. Not even close.
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29-03-2013, 11:25 AM
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(29-03-2013 10:44 AM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  The Jews believe Christians are guilty of idolatry because they worship a false messiah (one of many)

The Buddha isn't a god. The Buddah never claimed to be a god. Some, based solely on their own projections see a Buddhist temple and immidiately think they are worshipping the Buddha. They are not.

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Essentially your claims are right. Buddhism does not believe in a God and Judaism does not beleive that the Messiah has come. So are you ready for the reason as to why all 5 major religions are wrong or one is right anwer?
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29-03-2013, 11:32 AM (This post was last modified: 05-04-2013 11:11 PM by Doctor X.)
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29-03-2013, 11:35 AM
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(29-03-2013 11:25 AM)rbmead1960 Wrote:  
(29-03-2013 10:44 AM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  The Jews believe Christians are guilty of idolatry because they worship a false messiah (one of many)

The Buddha isn't a god. The Buddah never claimed to be a god. Some, based solely on their own projections see a Buddhist temple and immidiately think they are worshipping the Buddha. They are not.

Shoo fly

Essentially your claims are right. Buddhism does not believe in a God and Judaism does not beleive that the Messiah has come. So are you ready for the reason as to why all 5 major religions are wrong or one is right anwer?

You are the one who stated you had proof. All religions were built upon much older myths and legends. What part of that do you have difficulty comphrehending?

Your logic is flawed with a seriously predisposition of what you perceive to be truth.

If you continue peeling back the layers, you'll actually learn something significant.

Or you can continue to spout delusion.

Until then...
Shoo fly.


God is a concept by which we measure our pain -- John Lennon

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29-03-2013, 11:36 AM
RE: I can not only prove the existence of God I can prove the one true God! Welcome!
(29-03-2013 11:04 AM)Adenosis Wrote:  
(29-03-2013 09:55 AM)rbmead1960 Wrote:  Nice try but Mormonism is a Cult. A Cult is a group that deviates from the truth. One quick example why this is true. Joseph Smith had the gold plates delivered to him in Pennsylvania (I believe) and then God asked for them back. For one God doesn't need the plastes, and two God never asked for his message to be returned. These are two contrary points to the consistency of God. It also is contrary to the nature of God who does not need things (returned plates).

Mormonism deviates fromt he truth? How do you know this? Aseptic gave you a quote! Surely that should be proof of that religions validity?

If God is omnipotent, he didn't need to have a child (who is himself) and sacrifice that child (himself) to himself, as a loophole for original sin we inherit from Adam (the dirt man). He could have gotten rid of original sin, he could have used any other method.

Your believing a loony fairy tale from a superstitious time where we lacked scientific inquiry. If here really is a god, he is nothing like the contradictory, twisted, and psychopathic god of the bible.

(29-03-2013 10:24 AM)rbmead1960 Wrote:  GREAT QUESTION! Pat yourself on the back! God does want to spend eternity with EVERYONE. The passage in 2 Peter 3:9 is precisely this, "The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentence.

So God does want to spend eternity with everyone BUT we must define his nature better to actually understand his proper workings. How does he "tic"?
1) Man is created with a FREE WILL - no matter the amount of his DESIRE to spend eternity with HIM, he cannot violate your free will to choose your own desiny.
2) Since mankind is sinful (we all have sinned against God's laws - lie, cheat and steal to name a few) he is JUST and RIGHT to sentence people who do not seek His GIFT of FORGIVENESS and ALLEGIANCE to HIM as being peoploe who have REJECTED HIM and HIS WAYS. Thus, he is appropriately and justly sending people to a place of torment for such actions.
3) God does not really send men to HELL. They CHOOSE their DESTINY by their actions. He is just the facilitator or their decision.
4) God gives clear signs over and over again to try and draw you into his fellowship, but once again it is ultimately your choice and not his. Like being invited to a party, but the hosts will not force you to come. You must acknowledge the invitation and make efforts to properly get there.

1) Present a coherent argument (something you have yet to do at all) for free will.
2) How am I rejecting him? You haven't introduced me to him. P.s. watch this http://youtu.be/-j8ZMMuu7MU
3) So things happen that don't abide by gods plan?
4) No, he really doesn't. You interpret common daily experience as evidence for god. If your beliefs don't mirror reality then your perception is going to be off.

Imagine wanting it to rain, and it rains! oh my god! a miracle!?

No. Sometimes IT RAINS.

Hear say stories and rare occurances are proof of god to believers, but looking at this from an unbias point of view shows how ridiculous this 'evidence' for his existence is. You can't prove god, no one can. I find it funny how you come in here being deceptive like many others. Is that the kind of behavior your god condones? if so, even IF he does exist, he can fuck off.

(29-03-2013 10:31 AM)rbmead1960 Wrote:  In the Bible you have two key points 1) In Exodus 20 (Ten Commandments) God stated that there should be no other gods but him and that idols (which the word means nothing) should not be worshiped. Worshiping Budha or Hindhi (some 33 million or 330 milllion gods is really worshiping NOTHING). All the good intent still gets you no where. If you want maybe it is a good time to now prove how all five major religions are wrong or one is right theory.

How about Exodus 21 and slaves, do you think god wanted us to keep slaves?

Many things can be difficult for mankind. Often the same thing can have a right an wrong way. It is wrong to steal/ right only for forging food. Killing people is wrong/ defending your life or your country is right. Easting food is right/ wrong to eat too much. The list goes on. That is why mankind is confused by God, we choose to reject instead of seeking out truth and proper application. If you wife was dying and needed to be taken to the hospital would you obey the speed limits or instead choose to rush and go over the speed limit? We all would speed, and no officer would ticket you. He would give you an escort. See you can find a wrong and right in almost all things.
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29-03-2013, 11:38 AM (This post was last modified: 05-04-2013 11:11 PM by Doctor X.)
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29-03-2013, 11:42 AM
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(29-03-2013 11:36 AM)rbmead1960 Wrote:  
(29-03-2013 11:04 AM)Adenosis Wrote:  Mormonism deviates fromt he truth? How do you know this? Aseptic gave you a quote! Surely that should be proof of that religions validity?

If God is omnipotent, he didn't need to have a child (who is himself) and sacrifice that child (himself) to himself, as a loophole for original sin we inherit from Adam (the dirt man). He could have gotten rid of original sin, he could have used any other method.

Your believing a loony fairy tale from a superstitious time where we lacked scientific inquiry. If here really is a god, he is nothing like the contradictory, twisted, and psychopathic god of the bible.


1) Present a coherent argument (something you have yet to do at all) for free will.
2) How am I rejecting him? You haven't introduced me to him. P.s. watch this http://youtu.be/-j8ZMMuu7MU
3) So things happen that don't abide by gods plan?
4) No, he really doesn't. You interpret common daily experience as evidence for god. If your beliefs don't mirror reality then your perception is going to be off.

Imagine wanting it to rain, and it rains! oh my god! a miracle!?

No. Sometimes IT RAINS.

Hear say stories and rare occurances are proof of god to believers, but looking at this from an unbias point of view shows how ridiculous this 'evidence' for his existence is. You can't prove god, no one can. I find it funny how you come in here being deceptive like many others. Is that the kind of behavior your god condones? if so, even IF he does exist, he can fuck off.


How about Exodus 21 and slaves, do you think god wanted us to keep slaves?

Many things can be difficult for mankind. Often the same thing can have a right an wrong way. It is wrong to steal/ right only for forging food. Killing people is wrong/ defending your life or your country is right. Easting food is right/ wrong to eat too much. The list goes on. That is why mankind is confused by God, we choose to reject instead of seeking out truth and proper application. If you wife was dying and needed to be taken to the hospital would you obey the speed limits or instead choose to rush and go over the speed limit? We all would speed, and no officer would ticket you. He would give you an escort. See you can find a wrong and right in almost all things.

I would hope if your wife were dying you wouldn't waste precious time attemting to drive her to the hospital yourself. I would hope that you'd call 911 and follow their instructions.


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29-03-2013, 11:43 AM
RE: I can not only prove the existence of God I can prove the one true God! Welcome!
(29-03-2013 11:09 AM)houseofcantor Wrote:  
(29-03-2013 10:49 AM)Revenant77x Wrote:  Srsly why can't anyone even attempt an answer to some basic questions? I remember sitting in church at the age of 10 thinking about if god is so loving how come he punishes all these people that never even got a chance to hear his message. Ie: the Incas and the Aztecs pre-spanish invasion. That was the first step I ever took to the total rejection of christianity and ultimatly to becoming an atheist. I still have never heard a reasonable explaination for either that or the question I posed to our truely substandard appologist.

There is an answer. Having seen "the creator of the universe," the first impression was - this ain't nothing to be contained in the human mind. I remember being infused with "Holy Spirit;" mind being expanded by an order of magnitude just so I could sit there and go, "duh." Concerns about "human suffering" relate to the amount of concern faced by the scientist fucking with e-coli. Which leads to two inescapable conclusions:

Unknowable, as stated by all scripture I've encountered.
Irrelevant, as stated by Doc X repeatedly.

And that shit don't fill the pews nor the collection plates. This "Identity of god" is only an exercise in human ego, as clearly stated by the OP with his moral indignation at belittlement even though he is a "man of god."

Dumbass. In the sense of tao, we all are, only some of us do not rest on our entitlement. Some of us question shit. Just like Buddha said. You know, Buddha, the atheist? Big Grin

God is definitely not UNKNOWABLE and IRRELEVANT! His ways are TIMELESS because they are RIGHTEOUS (totally right). there are more and tangible evidence to the proof of God's existence. It is an accumulation of God's brief and continual interventions on man's benefit.
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29-03-2013, 11:45 AM
RE: I can not only prove the existence of God I can prove the one true God! Welcome!
(29-03-2013 11:43 AM)rbmead1960 Wrote:  
(29-03-2013 11:09 AM)houseofcantor Wrote:  There is an answer. Having seen "the creator of the universe," the first impression was - this ain't nothing to be contained in the human mind. I remember being infused with "Holy Spirit;" mind being expanded by an order of magnitude just so I could sit there and go, "duh." Concerns about "human suffering" relate to the amount of concern faced by the scientist fucking with e-coli. Which leads to two inescapable conclusions:

Unknowable, as stated by all scripture I've encountered.
Irrelevant, as stated by Doc X repeatedly.

And that shit don't fill the pews nor the collection plates. This "Identity of god" is only an exercise in human ego, as clearly stated by the OP with his moral indignation at belittlement even though he is a "man of god."

Dumbass. In the sense of tao, we all are, only some of us do not rest on our entitlement. Some of us question shit. Just like Buddha said. You know, Buddha, the atheist? Big Grin

God is definitely not UNKNOWABLE and IRRELEVANT! His ways are TIMELESS because they are RIGHTEOUS (totally right). there are more and tangible evidence to the proof of God's existence. It is an accumulation of God's brief and continual interventions on man's benefit.


And your evidence for this is ... ?

I thought so; you have none.
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