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26-04-2014, 09:31 AM
RE: I despise Christianity.
Some posit that religion gives people comfort, well so does heroin, neither is good for you in the end...

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26-04-2014, 10:23 AM (This post was last modified: 26-04-2014 10:45 AM by Deltabravo.)
RE: I despise Christianity.
(24-04-2014 07:01 PM)Banjo Wrote:  As seen elsewhere, you may have noted I am less than patient with Christianity. Actually, I despise it.

I have a strong interest in ethics and have enjoyed many an hour reading various systems, history etc etc. As a child Christianity was something I experienced for a short time. Catholicism actually. But only for 4 years. The religion classes seemed idiotic. I never believed. Not for one moment.

In later years upon discovering Voltaire, my interest in Christianity began to take hold. But it was a thing to me. A very dangerous thing.

I read further, Neitzsche, Descartres and the rest, and I began to worry. So I picked up a KJV1611 and began reading.

What I read was not an enlightened manifesto or moral guide. To me it represented hatred, anger, xenophobia, racism, greed... Indeed, all I thought wrong with the world.

As years passed many a "Christian" approached me. I began debating them. It was fun at first. Often they would use scripture. You know, the usual stuff, John 3-16 and the like. None were prepared to be out done in scripture.

Later I argued with ministers and priests. The ministers were more scary than the preists, who seemed tired of it all.

Why do I tell you this? Simply because I want there to be no mistakes.

To me there are two kinds of animal. Dangerous and not. I view Christians and Muslims the same way. I once had to pull a violent evangelical Christian off a homeless man in Sydney Australia. He was atop the man screaming "ACCEPT CHRIST!"

Of course not all are psychos. But the devoted to all scripture Christian is the one I take seriously. But they all have their degrees of course. It may be the racist southern mother threatening her daughter. Or the anti Semite hiding in plain site. Such as a student's mother who accused me of being a Jew when I told her I do not celebrate Christmas.

Rarely is it the touchy feely ignorant person who believes Christ was all embracing. These people are not a threat.

Until they vote for someone who is a threat.

Yeah, I don't take religion lightly.

Now you may read my signature. It is true I am unwell and my brain is suffering. But I reckon today it is about 70%. So you can probably take this post somewhat seriously.

I make no apology for my feelings about Christianity. Especially on an atheist website.

I grew up in the Bible Belt and everyone around me was born again. My high school was where a religious movement had been founded back in the 30's. I despaired. We had lunchtime religious sing songs. I went to university and was told by my academic advisor to take a religious studies course, which I did. I read about Atonement. In my political science course in first year we studied the New Testament, then the next year we studied Thomas Aquinas. The student newspaper was filled with a debate about creationism and evolution. Friends carried bibles and went to bible readings. They urged me to find Jesus.

I can now say, I have found Jesus. And, I am happy.

He was the son of god, because he was the son of a middle eastern king who thought he was a god. He converted to a sect of Judaism called the Nazareens who believed in doing good deeds. He became the high priest of Jerusalem, fed the poor, educated children and healed sick people (or at least people who weren't feeling too good). He was much loved and respected, but he was a convert so when the time came, he was handed over to the Romans who crucified him. His old friend Josephus came upon him and took him off the cross alive and that is the last anyone knows of this guy.

All that is possibly close to the truth and is an interesting story. I told it to a Muslim friend the other day and he said, "Really?".

So forgive me my transgressions. It works for me. I much prefer to read about real people like Izats and "believe" that this is the basis of the Jesus story than waste time hunting around the wrong era for a man in sandles, or arguing with people who actually think it is believable that a man walked on water and was resurrected.

Joe Atwill is a good read, for me, because he, rightly, says that his theory is "liberating". I agree with that and also feel the same way about Ellis which is why I am interested in him. I think if one can divert the debate about Jesus towards a person who bears the most likeness towards him, it becomes much more apparent that the story is just an embellishment written for political reasons.

It seems so obvious to me now. I have closure.
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26-04-2014, 10:34 AM
RE: I despise Christianity.
(24-04-2014 07:01 PM)Banjo Wrote:  As seen elsewhere, you may have noted I am less than patient with Christianity. Actually, I despise it.

I have a strong interest in ethics and have enjoyed many an hour reading various systems, history etc etc. As a child Christianity was something I experienced for a short time. Catholicism actually. But only for 4 years. The religion classes seemed idiotic. I never believed. Not for one moment.

In later years upon discovering Voltaire, my interest in Christianity began to take hold. But it was a thing to me. A very dangerous thing.

I read further, Neitzsche, Descartres and the rest, and I began to worry. So I picked up a KJV1611 and began reading.

What I read was not an enlightened manifesto or moral guide. To me it represented hatred, anger, xenophobia, racism, greed... Indeed, all I thought wrong with the world.

As years passed many a "Christian" approached me. I began debating them. It was fun at first. Often they would use scripture. You know, the usual stuff, John 3-16 and the like. None were prepared to be out done in scripture.

Later I argued with ministers and priests. The ministers were more scary than the preists, who seemed tired of it all.

Why do I tell you this? Simply because I want there to be no mistakes.

To me there are two kinds of animal. Dangerous and not. I view Christians and Muslims the same way. I once had to pull a violent evangelical Christian off a homeless man in Sydney Australia. He was atop the man screaming "ACCEPT CHRIST!"

Of course not all are psychos. But the devoted to all scripture Christian is the one I take seriously. But they all have their degrees of course. It may be the racist southern mother threatening her daughter. Or the anti Semite hiding in plain site. Such as a student's mother who accused me of being a Jew when I told her I do not celebrate Christmas.

Rarely is it the touchy feely ignorant person who believes Christ was all embracing. These people are not a threat.

Until they vote for someone who is a threat.

Yeah, I don't take religion lightly.

Now you may read my signature. It is true I am unwell and my brain is suffering. But I reckon today it is about 70%. So you can probably take this post somewhat seriously.

I make no apology for my feelings about Christianity. Especially on an atheist website.

There are atheists out there that hate Christainity a lot more than you, so don't worry about it








Sometimes I consider myself one of them.

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26-04-2014, 11:51 AM
RE: I despise Christianity.
In don't blame people for having been indoctrinated.

I don't blame people for needing a crutch in life, and for having been handed religion to serve as such from childhood on.

I do blame governments for not making laws that go after abuse on the basis of religion.

I also blame the government for not demanding taxes from churches. If they want to claim that they did good deeds with the money, let them deduct charitable donations like the rest of us.

Obviously we don't have a true separation of religion and government or we would have these common sense laws.

Religious leaders are to be held responsible for indoctrination of the people, and government is to be held responsible for not applying laws equally.

My very religious 80 year old aunt who finds solace, company and peace in church is not to be held responsible for any of that.

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26-04-2014, 12:00 PM
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(24-04-2014 07:01 PM)Banjo Wrote:  As seen elsewhere, you may have noted I am less than patient with Christianity. Actually, I despise it.

You must be very lonely. If you despise the philosophy you despise the man, and if you despise the Christians you despise most of the civilized world.

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26-04-2014, 12:15 PM
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(26-04-2014 12:00 PM)An_Theist Wrote:  
(24-04-2014 07:01 PM)Banjo Wrote:  As seen elsewhere, you may have noted I am less than patient with Christianity. Actually, I despise it.

You must be very lonely. If you despise the philosophy you despise the man, and if you despise the Christians you despise most of the civilized world.

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Perhaps so. But what about a philosophy that inspires somebody to hurt others?
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26-04-2014, 12:19 PM
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(26-04-2014 12:15 PM)Bible Belt Brawler Wrote:  Perhaps so. But what about a philosophy that inspires somebody to hurt others?

What about it?
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26-04-2014, 12:20 PM
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(26-04-2014 12:15 PM)Bible Belt Brawler Wrote:  Perhaps so. But what about a philosophy that inspires somebody to hurt others?

If Christianity inspired everyone who was Christian to violence then the West would've gone to the dogs long, long ago. The mainstream Christian sects are, surprisingly, not Hitler.
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26-04-2014, 12:22 PM
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(26-04-2014 12:15 PM)Bible Belt Brawler Wrote:  
(26-04-2014 12:00 PM)An_Theist Wrote:  You must be very lonely. If you despise the philosophy you despise the man, and if you despise the Christians you despise most of the civilized world.

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Perhaps so. But what about a philosophy that inspires somebody to hurt others?

And it doesn't change my point that someone who despised Christianity would be lonely and hard to be around anyway.
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26-04-2014, 12:23 PM
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(26-04-2014 12:15 PM)Bible Belt Brawler Wrote:  
(26-04-2014 12:00 PM)An_Theist Wrote:  You must be very lonely. If you despise the philosophy you despise the man, and if you despise the Christians you despise most of the civilized world.

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Perhaps so. But what about a philosophy that inspires somebody to hurt others?

And I don't think I understand your question, anyway, so there's really no way to answer it.
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