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15-11-2011, 03:15 PM
RE: I like shooting down Bible contradictions
(15-11-2011 03:09 PM)kineo Wrote:  
(15-11-2011 02:11 PM)ddrew Wrote:  
(15-11-2011 01:39 PM)kineo Wrote:  Was I really that mean? I didn't mean to come off as mean. Confused

All your fault kineo.. what you said was like a two edged sword cutting through megamaster125 like a lamb. If megamaster125 had put on the WHOLE ARMOR OF GOD then he would have been properly prepared for the intensity of your cutting words and harsh logic you hit him with.

lol, if by "sword" you mean "butter knife", then you might be on to something. I don't have a particularly large arsenal of logic myself... butter knives and pocket knives, obviously I haven't graduated to swords yet. Big Grin

well I had to use terms like two-edged sword and lamb and armor of god so that megamaster125 could understand the language I was using.

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15-11-2011, 03:31 PM
RE: I like shooting down Bible contradictions
I've just been watching this video the past hour:

It's about contradictions in the bible, but mostly contradictions that come from studies of the scribes works copying the bible over the centuries and how that has effected the text we have today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-1hdqNDQ...re=related

Within it i, the guy says, "If you want to find contradictions in the bible, just look at the 4 gospels horizontally... side by side."
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15-11-2011, 03:59 PM
RE: I like shooting down Bible contradictions
(15-11-2011 02:11 PM)ddrew Wrote:  
(14-11-2011 10:52 PM)ddrew Wrote:  I was being sarcastic but it's hard to hear the sarcasim in text forums. But let me tell you my credentials on the bible.

I recently spent the past year in a "men's Christian Rehabilitation Ministry" called "The Bible Tabernacle"

Everyday for the past year I woke up at 5:30am to report to morning bible study/reading at 6:00am until 7:30am where I read the bible for that hour and half every day... in the evenings I would attend Bible Study sermons from 6:15pm to 7:30pm where pastors would preach the "word of God"... EVERY FUCKING DAY for a year.. so don't assume to me that I don't know the bible... I probrably know that fictionous crap better than you do. NO GAMES. NO TELEVISION. NO LEAVING THE CAMP GROUNDS... NOTHING but the study of God.

Now ... you fucking tell me how I have so much hatred for this imaginary piece of shit God you hold so dearly to your heart? You see I'm a different kind of Atheist.. I hate the idea of religion.. I hate the idea of God.. The oppressive nature of God is an insult to the nature of humanity!!

God to me is a symbol of slavery.. control.. opression... and I REJECT everything the idea that this God stands for..

Your religion scares society with damnation and eternal torment in hell for sins for which we never even commited by a generation 6000 years ago.. what the fuck kind of madness is that??

I reject the holy spirit... I reject Jesus... and I reject God..


That is what a years worth of "The Bible Tabernacle" left me with. Any confusion or contradiction in that Megabraindead125 ??

Okay .... looking at the above post right infront of me I don't see where I ever said the ministry saved me from homelessness and suicide.. and I never said that I hated every moment of it.. looking above you'll see that I hated the idea of God and religion in general.. and... hrmmmm.. nope not seeing where I hated what they said..

I'm actually quite grateful to that ministry for providing a free place to live. While the structure of daily life there was crammed with God 24/7 got oppressive after awhile I never said that I hated the ministry.. read it closely megamaster125 ... oh and are you going to answer my post on the contradiction I wrote??

Well, I guess I mistook the word "EVERY FUCKING DAY", "NO GAMES. NO TELEVISION. NO LEAVING THE CAMP GROUNDS... NOTHING but the study of God." You can see how I missed your gratidute somewhere in that mix.

Quote:See? mega... I'm not such a bad guy when I'm sober aren't I? now reading what I said while drunk last night ... well yeah my balls were all tied in a knot.. anyhow hurry up and make some good responses before I start drinking again... I'm cracking open the first beer now.. better hurry........

Well, hopefully I responded in time then Wink.

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(15-11-2011 01:39 PM)kineo Wrote:  Was I really that mean? I didn't mean to come off as mean. Confused

All your fault kineo.. what you said was like a two edged sword cutting through megamaster125 like a lamb. If megamaster125 had put on the WHOLE ARMOR OF GOD then he would have been properly prepared for the intensity of your cutting words and harsh logic you hit him with.

Well, as you guys have said, I came into the lion's den here. You paint the picture that I'm in hostile territory, you can't expect me to want to stay too long. As far as insults and that go, I don't care about it, it's just the internet, but there's also no reason for me to stay here through it all either. I know when to walk away, then again, maybe I don't seeing as I came back here.

What shocks me the most here is you using the Bible to encourage me, the same Bible you don't believe in. I am baffled. This is definately not something I saw coming.

(15-11-2011 02:35 PM)kim Wrote:  Ok, I'll cop to it... I was pretty shitty to yell that we are Atheists.
I believe I said...
we're fucking atheists!

I see now that may have been a bit harsh.


Dodgy And I'm sorry I referred to you as megamasterbator.

That's ok kim. I don't care that much about name calling, I wouldn't lose any sleep over it. Allthough, you have no idea how much megamasterbator is fitting for me.

Another shock for some of you. I can agree whole-heartedly with some of your sigs. Kim, you're is one of them. I agree 100% with it.

(15-11-2011 03:31 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  I've just been watching this video the past hour:

It's about contradictions in the bible, but mostly contradictions that come from studies of the scribes works copying the bible over the centuries and how that has effected the text we have today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-1hdqNDQ...re=related

Within it i, the guy says, "If you want to find contradictions in the bible, just look at the 4 gospels horizontally... side by side."

In all fairness, if all 4 gospels were exactly the same, you all wouldn't be talking about how the contradict each other, you'd be accusing them of getting together and colluding with each other to fool other people into believing.
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15-11-2011, 04:05 PM
RE: I like shooting down Bible contradictions
(15-11-2011 03:59 PM)megamaster125 Wrote:  
(15-11-2011 03:31 PM)ClydeLee Wrote:  I've just been watching this video the past hour:

It's about contradictions in the bible, but mostly contradictions that come from studies of the scribes works copying the bible over the centuries and how that has effected the text we have today.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O-1hdqNDQ...re=related

Within it i, the guy says, "If you want to find contradictions in the bible, just look at the 4 gospels horizontally... side by side."

In all fairness, if all 4 gospels were exactly the same, you all wouldn't be talking about how the contradict each other, you'd be accusing them of getting together and colluding with each other to fool other people into believing.

That's entirely true but that was a small part of what that video and peoples work he is talking about is dealing with. The whole of it is how there are clear changes over time in the older manuscripts found verses later ones found...

Many different issues arise, some clearly accidental that are pointed out like typos or laziness but there are other instances of changes of phrases not found in the oldest manuscripts... A better example I could of said is how he points out a change that arose late in manuscript part during the John 7 part, where the phrase, "Let he who is without sin cast the first stone" didn't appear in any of the manuscripts until after 1000AD or how the last 12 verses of the Gospel of Mark don't exist in the older manuscripts, most bibles acknowledge that within the text. The book originally ended saying the woman who saw Jesus's empty tomb with a man in it were afraid and never said it to anyone.
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15-11-2011, 04:05 PM
RE: I like shooting down Bible contradictions
For the group of you in general. If you guys actually want me to stay here, that's fine. I came in here knowing that my beliefs are far different from yours, and you all should have been expecting that too. I was welcomed to the forum, then you guys started asking me about my beliefs, I answered and responded, and from my point of view you guys started getting offeneded because my beliefs are vastly different from your own. This has just made me more confused than anything else. Just because it makes us different doesn't mean we have to be enemies, does it?

If you guys want to continue asking about my beliefs or why I believe the way I do, I'm fine with that, but don't be so surprised when my answers and responses to you are vastly different from your own views.
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15-11-2011, 04:25 PM (This post was last modified: 15-11-2011 04:36 PM by kim.)
RE: I like shooting down Bible contradictions
(15-11-2011 03:02 PM)cufflink Wrote:  
(15-11-2011 02:35 PM)kim Wrote:  I believe I said...
we're fucking atheists!

Kim, is the second word an adjective or a verb? Big Grin


- We're the fucking kind of atheists - as opposed to the abstaining kind.
or
- We're fucking atheists in here - right now!!

I'm a pro-choice kind of gal.
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15-11-2011, 04:35 PM
RE: I like shooting down Bible contradictions
(15-11-2011 04:05 PM)megamaster125 Wrote:  For the group of you in general. If you guys actually want me to stay here, that's fine. I came in here knowing that my beliefs are far different from yours, and you all should have been expecting that too....

I'd like you to stay. I would like you to clarify your opening statements, though.

Are you saying that there are no contradictions in the Bible? Or none that you can't explain? Or none that someone can't explain?

Most atheists who have knowledge of the canonical text would say there are very clear and substantial contradictions.

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15-11-2011, 04:39 PM
RE: I like shooting down Bible contradictions
(15-11-2011 04:05 PM)megamaster125 Wrote:  For the group of you in general. If you guys actually want me to stay here, that's fine. I came in here knowing that my beliefs are far different from yours, and you all should have been expecting that too. I was welcomed to the forum, then you guys started asking me about my beliefs, I answered and responded, and from my point of view you guys started getting offeneded because my beliefs are vastly different from your own. This has just made me more confused than anything else. Just because it makes us different doesn't mean we have to be enemies, does it?

If you guys want to continue asking about my beliefs or why I believe the way I do, I'm fine with that, but don't be so surprised when my answers and responses to you are vastly different from your own views.

I do not intend to either chase you away nor beg you to stay. I'll say that this thread was an interesting read, but I would tire of this type of thread quickly if this type of subject came up frequently. If I were uninterested in the thread, I would just ignore it though. But this one had me interested and entertained- not and necessarily in a negative way.

It's a good thing to have people around with differing viewpoints. Stick around and learn what you can in my opinion. That's the whole reason I'm here, personally- to learn. Also to socialize with people.
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15-11-2011, 04:53 PM
RE: I like shooting down Bible contradictions
megamaster125 I'd be happy for you to stay it's always good to have someone with with a different perspective on things as it makes for an interesting debate.

I feel that you've not explained away the contradictions just that you've shown that you have interpreted those verses in a different way from the rest of us.

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15-11-2011, 05:00 PM
RE: I like shooting down Bible contradictions
(15-11-2011 04:35 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(15-11-2011 04:05 PM)megamaster125 Wrote:  For the group of you in general. If you guys actually want me to stay here, that's fine. I came in here knowing that my beliefs are far different from yours, and you all should have been expecting that too....

I'd like you to stay. I would like you to clarify your opening statements, though.

Are you saying that there are no contradictions in the Bible? Or none that you can't explain? Or none that someone can't explain?

Most atheists who have knowledge of the canonical text would say there are very clear and substantial contradictions.

His problem seems to be that he thinks if he can provide some sort of explanation, no matter how outlandish or lame it may be, or no matter how contorted or illogical, then that somehow "settles" something. Some of these contradictions, especially the list by Bucky, about the question of Qurinius, and the contradiction of the Day of Preparation vs. the Day of Passover, (and actually there is another one there about the TIME of the death, which is different in each gospel), and the differing stories of the resurrection, have been debated for eons, and the very best scholars have not been able to explain them, so why would this guy think he could ?

But MOST of all, what we, in our little house of atheists / Quantum Physicists want to know is : What in the hell is Bible Rehab ?? LMAO

Yo Bucky, get your ass over to the gymn. See ya buddy. Rolleyes
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