I'm Starting to Lose Faith In our Species
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02-05-2015, 09:20 PM (This post was last modified: 02-05-2015 09:24 PM by cactus.)
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If Bernie Sanders wins the primary, there would be a FUCKING GIGANTIC right-wing anti-socialist smear campaign of unparallelled proportions against him. Considering this isn't Europe, and so many people get their news from over-reactionary viral Facebook posts these days, I really don't think he stands a chance of winning the election.

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02-05-2015, 09:43 PM
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(02-05-2015 08:12 PM)Chas Wrote:  There main avenue is campaign contributions, I believe.

Yes, Citizens United is a major issue. But corporate lobbying is another. Corporations should not be able to buy legislation and deregulation for their own benefit. Even if you eliminate the ability for corporations to buy elections, they can still buy politicians.

(02-05-2015 09:20 PM)cactus Wrote:  If Bernie Sanders wins the primary, there would be a FUCKING GIGANTIC right-wing anti-socialist smear campaign of unparallelled proportions against him. Considering this isn't Europe, and so many people get their news from over-reactionary viral Facebook posts these days, I really don't think he stands a chance of winning the election.

They already create gigantic anti-socialist smear campaigns against Democrats. Bernie Sanders is more than prepared to handle the trash talking of conservatives, just look at his Youtube channel.

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03-05-2015, 10:45 AM
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(30-04-2015 04:33 PM)Kaneda Wrote:  I'm not sure if the Mainstream News and my Facebook feed are toying with me or if widespread malaise has just become the new normal. I seems like every time I get on the internet about gargantuan national debt, crony lobbyism, corporate tax evasion, environmental decline, historic incarceration rates, the welfare state, the coming police state, dragnet surveillance, indefinite detention, burgeoning religious extremism, a nuclear Iran, biological warfare, hyperinflation, unemployment, mental illness, drug addiction, decline of the family, and ethical decay of the people who wield the most influence control over public life.

I appreciate that so many of my friends are keeping themselves aware and voicing their discontent so vociferously and consistently, but after years of malignant lying and stealing wrought by our federal and state governments I don't think any amount of pandering and populist rhetoric from our elected officials really means anything anymore. I mean what mechanism do ordinary people have to bring about meaningful changes to our way of life, when our news outlets and policymakers are only accountable to opportunists, corporate thugs and psychopathic white collar criminals who are miring future generations in debt, bleeding hard working people dry, and keeping the poor and the destitute in a cycle of detention and state dependency?

It's clear nobody wants to sit and watch this country we love decay into some third-world dystopian hellscape in our lifetime, but so far I just haven't seen anything turning in the right direction. If someone could throw me a bone here, what if anything of value has been done to mobilize change for the public good?

I think this perception is a common one. I don't think the sort of dreamy optimists, who played the harps for infinite human progress, exist anymore. At best you get people who cling to a sort of blind hope, for no other reason that being hopeful is preferred to being hopeless.

As far as humanity as a moral whole, it seem perhaps we're at the point of diminishing returns, or a static state, in which this is likely to be the best we'll ever be. Younger generations are always more optimistic than the older ones, until they become old themselves. If folks generations ago imagined a promise land, they'd be disappointed to find out that this is it.
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03-05-2015, 01:55 PM
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(02-05-2015 09:43 PM)Logica Humano Wrote:  
(02-05-2015 08:12 PM)Chas Wrote:  There main avenue is campaign contributions, I believe.

Yes, Citizens United is a major issue. But corporate lobbying is another. Corporations should not be able to buy legislation and deregulation for their own benefit. Even if you eliminate the ability for corporations to buy elections, they can still buy politicians.

(02-05-2015 09:20 PM)cactus Wrote:  If Bernie Sanders wins the primary, there would be a FUCKING GIGANTIC right-wing anti-socialist smear campaign of unparallelled proportions against him. Considering this isn't Europe, and so many people get their news from over-reactionary viral Facebook posts these days, I really don't think he stands a chance of winning the election.

They already create gigantic anti-socialist smear campaigns against Democrats. Bernie Sanders is more than prepared to handle the trash talking of conservatives, just look at his Youtube channel.

I'm in agreement.

I think humans will be what humans will be. I exist and have an opinion and beliefs, and of course that pits me against other's and involves me in the world of politics, as does for most people. I won't sit down and close my ears and eyes and say "Oh the human race is doomed because they don't follow what I would like them to do." I simply realize I'm one cog in society's machine and that I work to ensure what I believe is the best for our society. Many others do, too and may work against me, but I can definitely attempt to change other people's ideas.

I don't think it's right to simply surrender and give up working on making the world a better place. We're having a good run with improving people's lives. Why stop because there are people who oppose me?
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08-05-2015, 07:57 PM
I'm Starting to Lose Faith In our Species
Humans have been treating each other like crap for many millennia. Nothing new here really. We still manage to accomplish great things occasionally in spite of ourselves.

Just look at Justin Bieber! No wait, I have a good example around here somewhere. No really.

Jersey Shore? No?

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08-05-2015, 10:33 PM
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(08-05-2015 07:57 PM)Cardinal Smurf Wrote:  Humans have been treating each other like crap for many millennia. Nothing new here really. We still manage to accomplish great things occasionally in spite of ourselves.

Just look at Justin Bieber! No wait, I have a good example around here somewhere. No really.

Jersey Shore? No?

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09-05-2015, 12:09 AM
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(03-05-2015 01:55 PM)Kaepora Gaebora Wrote:  
(02-05-2015 09:43 PM)Logica Humano Wrote:  Yes, Citizens United is a major issue. But corporate lobbying is another. Corporations should not be able to buy legislation and deregulation for their own benefit. Even if you eliminate the ability for corporations to buy elections, they can still buy politicians.


They already create gigantic anti-socialist smear campaigns against Democrats. Bernie Sanders is more than prepared to handle the trash talking of conservatives, just look at his Youtube channel.

I'm in agreement.

I think humans will be what humans will be. I exist and have an opinion and beliefs, and of course that pits me against other's and involves me in the world of politics, as does for most people. I won't sit down and close my ears and eyes and say "Oh the human race is doomed because they don't follow what I would like them to do." I simply realize I'm one cog in society's machine and that I work to ensure what I believe is the best for our society. Many others do, too and may work against me, but I can definitely attempt to change other people's ideas.

I don't think it's right to simply surrender and give up working on making the world a better place. We're having a good run with improving people's lives. Why stop because there are people who oppose me?

I reckon it's better to go down swinging, rather than kneeling in acquiescence.
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15-01-2017, 09:48 PM
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I know it's a little petty to bring back a two-year old thread, but as a general topic I think it's as relevant today as it was when I started it.

A lot of responses focused on goals for implementing top-down reforms in government, fighting corporate lobbying and electing people of integrity to high office. If this campaign cycle has taught me anything it's that we can drive ourselves mad if expect to individuals to affect huge changes on our behalf. I found it more liberating than anything to lower my expectations for creating a better world. For now I'm looking for a ways to help my community cope with the flood that monkey man and his merry band of sycophants are going unleash in the near term.

I know this is a politics sub-forum and is mostly used for mudslinging, but I would like cordon off some thread to share real, applicable ideas for fixing things on a local level. Is there any place in this forum that discusses regional politics, community organizing, or just being a more effective citizen? Frankly, I could stand to do better at all of those things :/.

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15-01-2017, 09:55 PM
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(15-01-2017 09:48 PM)Kaneda Wrote:  I know it's a little petty to bring back a two-year old thread, but as a general topic I think it's as relevant today as it was when I started it.

A lot of responses focused on goals for implementing top-down reforms in government, fighting corporate lobbying and electing people of integrity to high office. If this campaign cycle has taught me anything it's that we can drive ourselves mad if expect to individuals to affect huge changes on our behalf. I found it more liberating than anything to lower my expectations for creating a better world. For now I'm looking for a ways to help my community cope with the flood that monkey man and his merry band of sycophants are going unleash in the near term.

I know this is a politics sub-forum and is mostly used for mudslinging, but I would like cordon off some thread to share real, applicable ideas for fixing things on a local level. Is there any place in this forum that discusses regional politics, community organizing, or just being a more effective citizen? Frankly, I could stand to do better at all of those things :/.

Volunteer for your local government. Citizen committee memberships are pretty common in local governance, and most of the time all you have to do is contact your mayor's office to look into available opportunities. There is so much more than federal or even state level politics where you can become involved and make a difference.
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16-01-2017, 10:48 AM (This post was last modified: 16-01-2017 10:56 AM by GenesisNemesis.)
RE: I'm Starting to Lose Faith In our Species
(08-05-2015 07:57 PM)Cardinal Smurf Wrote:  Humans have been treating each other like crap for many millennia. Nothing new here really. We still manage to accomplish great things occasionally in spite of ourselves.

Just look at Justin Bieber! No wait, I have a good example around here somewhere. No really.

Jersey Shore? No?


Well, there is social media (including the ability to create communities of people from everywhere with shared interests, being able to exchange information anywhere), and our preferences being guided by search algorithms. That's pretty new.

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