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06-12-2012, 01:55 PM
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Jon Gruden has a good take on good players vs. average vs. bad players. It isn't about the stats that we care about. It is about the poise of the player, their attitude, how they move, how they react, and how quick they are on their feet. Let him tell you who the MVP should be.

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06-12-2012, 02:02 PM
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Um, gang, this is not the "Discuss pros and cons of sports" thread. Take that somewhere else so we can get back to the proper purpose of this thread, bashing Egor.

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06-12-2012, 02:07 PM
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Right, so where were we?

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06-12-2012, 02:19 PM
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(06-12-2012 02:02 PM)Aseptic Skeptic Wrote:  Um, gang, this is not the "Discuss pros and cons of sports" thread. Take that somewhere else so we can get back to the proper purpose of this thread, bashing Egor.


No, this is an exercise in multi-level derailment, also known as an 'Erxy Scheme'.

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06-12-2012, 02:41 PM (This post was last modified: 06-12-2012 02:44 PM by Free Thought.)
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(06-12-2012 11:50 AM)Egor Wrote:  
(06-12-2012 01:05 AM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  Recently I've been kinda questioning my atheism, I'll call an introspection reevaluation. Yanno? Am I crazy to deny the existence of god. So, I'm looking at random crap on YouTube. Actually mostly Christian crap...when I come across eric hovid, talking to atheists trying to trick them.

Somehow I ended up watch 8 parts of the MSS, with DPR Jones, thunderf00t, AronRa, Eric Hovid and Sye something or other and a bunch of other people. I remembered Sye from TTA podcast many months ago saying that everyone knows god exists and if you did and don't know...you just didn't do it right the first time and you essentially always an unbeliever, because god has revealed himself through what he termed a "revelation" and never thoroughly explained where it came from. On the MSS, he refused to discuss the bible, what he claimed was god's word, with unbelievers. Yet at the end tried to preach, which was thankfully blocked out.

So, here I am on the fence again for a moment and driven right back over by the overall tenor of the arguments leveled by those two Christians. Never in my life had I heard a more specious argument for an alleged "proof" for the existence of god. At the end Ken Hovid, seemed to pussyfoot passed the bible as his reason for his proof and focused more heavily on logic and the "perfection" of nature, which is hardly really perfect.

So like a rubber band stretched pretty thin, I bounced back to atheism. It was really a lousy debate with far too much shouting and sometimes screaming and peppered with just as silly rationale on both sides. It did solidify why I am atheist....because their arguments for god, didn't make any sense and I found them both to be incredibly arrogant in their claims. Any chance they got, they twisted words and made snarky remarks like Sye repeatedly saying, "I'm done with you." as though he won a point or the whole argument.

The one thing I've never really done was thoroughly come out to my family, because I never see them, except for weddings and funerals if they think to include me and live in a different state.

Tonight I did just that. I highly doubt I'll hear from any of them ever again.

Honestly, no one gives a damn if you're an atheist or not. We're entering a time when no one knows anything for sure anymore. And there will come a time when you've smoked enough weed, played enough X-box, made fun of enough religious people, and generally under-achieved in life when you will ask yourself if there is anything more. In that day, you will have to find God on your own and quit expecting to follow someone else, be they a YouTube preacher or your mom and dad.

Atheism is the ultimate ignorance, because once you claim there is no God, then you automatically lay claim to the idea that there is no truth. And after that, there is only hedonism, nihilism and random bumperstickers of belief.

Egor talking about ignorance and atheism, how cute!

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06-12-2012, 03:01 PM
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Momsurroundedbyboys, I sincerely apologize for bringing up football.

But seriously - the Niners over the Steelers? I just had to say something.

We have enough youth. How about looking for the Fountain of Smart?
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06-12-2012, 03:11 PM
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(06-12-2012 01:21 PM)kingschosen Wrote:  If you want to take a look at how evolution and Christianity is reconciled take a look at Biologos.

Some contemporary theologians to check out:

Charles Spurgeon
John F. MacArthur
Wayne Grudem
John Piper
John Piper = douche from my limited experience of him. Also Louis Giglio = douche. Louis Giglio = John Piper = Douche.

JP did some presentation that I watched with friends about how God made the universe etc. Why theologians feel like they can pronounce on scientific topics they freely admit to not having studied I have no idea. But regardless of how reformed his theology is, that makes him a quack IMO.

Minor disclaimer: I may be remembering the video with more venom than it deserved...
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06-12-2012, 03:11 PM
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WHO DAT?
WHO DAT?
WHO DAT SAY DEY GONNA BEAT DEM SAINTS?

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06-12-2012, 03:32 PM
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Steelers vs 49ers all time record
11-9 in favor of the 49ers

All time superbowl appearances
Steelers 8
49ers 5
Goes to Steelers

All-time Superbowl wins
Steelers 6
49ers 5
Point to Steelers

Superbowl winning percentage
49ers 100%
Steelers 75%
point to the 49ers

total number of players that played for each team in the hall of fame
49ers = 21
Steelers = 25
Okay, Steelers again

Number of league MVPs
49ers = 3
Steelers = 2
Point 49ers

Defensive player of the year
49ers = 2
Steelers = 6
Point Steelers

Offensive player of the year
49ers = 4
Steelers = 0
Point 49ers

Rookie of the year D
49ers = 3
Steelers = 3
Push

Rookie of the year O
49ers = 0
Steelers = 3
Steelers point

Comeback player of the year
49ers = 3
Steelers = 0
point 49ers

Pro-bowl mvps
49ers = 1
Steelers = 0
point 49ers

All-time record
49ers = 530-427-15
Steelers = 560-508-20
Winning percentage = 55% for the 49ers and a point to them (52% for the Steelers)

Playoff record
49ers = 27-19
Steelers = 33-21
Steelers at 61% get the point

All-time passing leader
Joe Montana at 35,124 yds
Ben Roethlisberger at 28,866 yds
point 49ers

Rushing leader
Joe Perry at 8,689yds
Franco Harris at 11,950yds
point Steelers

Receiving leader
Jerry Rice at at 19,247yds
Hines Ward at 12,083 yds
Point 49ers

Winningest coach
George Seifert 98 wins
Chuck Knowll 193 wins
point Steelers

Now, let's add up my totals
49ers have 9
Steelers have 7

49ers win, again

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06-12-2012, 03:33 PM
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KC
The Saints are almost the most pathetic team in NFL history. If not for the last couple of years, I would say the worst. Second only perhaps to the Jaguars...maybe.

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