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12-03-2011, 02:41 AM
 
I'm going to try herbal supplements
For a long time now I thought they were bunk and won't do anything, but I'm at the point of desperation now. My doctors claim that my problems are all mental and are caused solely by my depression, yet I don't feel depressed?

I'm exhausted for no reason, my entire body is sore, I'm cranky and have been snapping at people when I'm usually very good with people, I've been getting migraines, retaining weight despite the fact that I eat well and get regular exercise, and have been extremely cold all the time, and have been getting canker sores??? I rarely ever get them but in the past week I've gotten two??? I plan to make an appointment with another doctor and schedule a blood test to be safe though in addition to trying these herbal supplements.

I got a few suggestions to try a few different herbal supplements in addition to the daily vitamins I take. I'm planning on taking vitamins B, drink green tea more (no point in getting supplements when I have it in my cupboard), and a few others but I haven't seen the availability of them. I will keep posted whether or not they're truly bunk or if they help me.

Has anyone else tried or are using herbal supplements for anything? Or does anyone have suggestions on how to snap me out of whatever is going on.
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12-03-2011, 03:41 AM
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I would watch out for some of those. Most are as useless as homeopathy or even worse. Trick or Treatment goes into this a bit. Some herbal remedies influence the effect of the drugs you are taking as well, and can cancel them out or influence them otherwise in an unpredictable manner. Of course, some work wonders, so all I recommend is consulting your doctor about taking the remedies and doing some research beforehand.
I wish you the best of luck.

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12-03-2011, 04:43 AM
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Hello there!

Well I'm not a fan of herbal remedies and homeopathy, but if you want to try herbal remedies you should be careful, just because plants are a natural remedy it does not mean that they are 100% safe, some plants are poisonous, or maybe you could be allergic to some plants, if you decide to go on with this you should do a lot of research about plants and see which one could have nasty side effects.

But on the other hand you should look for another doctor, ask for a second opinion, I hope you dont have any serious disease, but you should keep searching for a good doctor in order to get a goog diagnosis and treatment.

I'm not trying to worry or scare you my dear, but I might suggest that you look for an specialist in auto-immune diseases, I hope you dont have one auto-immune disease. I say this because my younger sister was diagnosed with SLE (Lupus) back in 2004, she is doing well now BTW, but I dont want you to go through that hell Smile. Anyway, my best wishes for you. Peace.

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12-03-2011, 07:09 AM
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Before taking alot of herbal stuff, varify that it's safe from your doctor. Their active ingredients aren't that much different from 'normal' medicine. I don't remember which herbal remedy it was that caused contraceptive pills to lose their effect, but that's not the only harm they can do when combined with other medicine without askign a doctor first.

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12-03-2011, 07:18 AM
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Those issues could mean a lot of things. Hormones are something doctors often don't think of, but if you have bad levels all sorts of things go wrong. You can ask to have those checked. Also make sure you're taking daily vitamins because often the worse symptoms are missing out on 1 of the vitamins readily acknowledged as necessary.

Any time you're on medications you want to talk to your doctor before self medicating. Other questions are things like are you a caffeine junkie? Caffeine isn't tolerated the same by everyone and occasionally as you get older your body handles it differently. Most likely you need to remove something from your diet not add.

Definitely remember that if your doctor (or any professional you seek counsel) doesn't seem to have an answer for you, that there are plenty of alternatives to that person.

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12-03-2011, 11:30 AM
 
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(12-03-2011 02:41 AM)Diclonius Wrote:  For a long time now I thought they were bunk and won't do anything, but I'm at the point of desperation now. My doctors claim that my problems are all mental and are caused solely by my depression, yet I don't feel depressed?

I'm exhausted for no reason, my entire body is sore, I'm cranky and have been snapping at people when I'm usually very good with people, I've been getting migraines, retaining weight despite the fact that I eat well and get regular exercise, and have been extremely cold all the time, and have been getting canker sores??? I rarely ever get them but in the past week I've gotten two??? I plan to make an appointment with another doctor and schedule a blood test to be safe though in addition to trying these herbal supplements.

I got a few suggestions to try a few different herbal supplements in addition to the daily vitamins I take. I'm planning on taking vitamins B, drink green tea more (no point in getting supplements when I have it in my cupboard), and a few others but I haven't seen the availability of them. I will keep posted whether or not they're truly bunk or if they help me.

Has anyone else tried or are using herbal supplements for anything? Or does anyone have suggestions on how to snap me out of whatever is going on.

What does your diet look like? What is the nature of your exercise?

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Herbal remedies do exist, but they are swarmed in a sea of misinformation and claimed panaceas that are actually completely ineffective and a simple money drain.

White willow bark contains a compound called salicin, which is and anti-inflammatory with a similar structure to aspirin (mostly because aspirin was modeled after salicin =P). White willow is more effective of an antipyretic than analgesia or anything else though (save back pain).
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12-03-2011, 12:35 PM
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I have no idea why you're getting canker soars but they can be the result of some kind of auto-immune issue (I have this problem so this is the one symptom I can intelligently comment on!). If that is the case, then vitamin B is the way to go. Don't overdue it, though. I think I take 300mg at most per a day.

As for the rest of it, get another opinion. Maybe it's Lyme Disease? It certainly sounds like you have the symptoms. Get tested for it.

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12-03-2011, 01:06 PM
 
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I appreciate all the feedback, I understand herbal supplements can definitely be hit and miss. I just don't have a good doctor to go to here locally. The last doctor I went to I don't want to go to again, he deals with a lot of low-income patients so his office is always overcrowded and he doesn't spend enough time on his patients.

There are no other decent solutions in my area, I might call around San Jose though
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12-03-2011, 01:31 PM
 
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Diclonius, consider doing research on Hyperthyroidism
(Overactive thyroid). It may be part or all of what is causing your symptomology.

Also remember, with regard to herbal supplements, they are medicine. The Physicians Desk Reference (PDR) owes much of it's content to herbs. (White willow bark = asprin. Fox Glove = Tetracycline, Red Clover = blood thinner and far superior to Coumadin. Black Cohosh =natural female hormone replacement and balancing supplement and far superior to Premarin, which is derived from Mares urine!Confused Kava Kava = natural relaxant, etc...) The medical profession has since synthesized these natural medicines so as to create the monster that is big Pharma. As a consequence women suffer side effects from that what many consider superior or safer than Herbs.

Depending on the character of your personal Physician, you stand to find those Doctors who claim herbal remedies are simply a fiction, an old wives tale, and not effective at all.

This is a lie.

I've had patients of two different physicians tell me that that lie is exactly what their physician told them when that patient inquired about natural remedies for their conditions. One woman was on Xanax at the time she made her inquiry. That same doctor that prescribed the medicine then told her, after she'd been on it for over a decade, that she couldn't get off of the medication else she may convulse to death! A nasty side effect that physician failed to mention at the time he prescribed it for her. Tragically, there was nothing herbal that I could dare recommend in it's stead because of that potentially lethal side effect.

Physicians today have very few (if any) hours of training in alternative medicines, or supplements. Any knowledge they do have, is thus afforded their own research into the matter. Keeping in mind that their governing agency, the AMA , has everything to do with what a Physician recommends, prescribes, or advises patients. The AMA is the ultimate overseer in approving anything a Doctor recommends, or prescribes for his/her patient(s), because they're doing so as licensed Physicians controlled by that governing body. And as such, their practice presents liability consequence for that Association should they venture from the approved path governing their practice.

You're best bet is to go to a health food store (Never a GNC or Vitamin Shoppe) and ask someone there if there is anyone who is qualified to recommend an herbal supplement for your health concerns.

Keep in mind that if you are presently on any Pharmaceutical medications, that you want to make that person aware of that, because there can be contra-indications present that would prevent your taking herbs with that medicine. If in doubt after such a consultation, bring a small notebook to that meeting at the health food store and take notes as to what herbal remedies are recommended and then do your own research at home before buying. Keyword search; contraindications ....(insert herb here).

Dr. Andrew Weil, M.D.
is one of those rare finds, not so much now as a little over a decade ago, who is a qualified classically trained Physician who has also ventured into alternative medicine education. He believes in combining the two disciplines so as to make for a Holistic approach to treatment and healing of the whole person. (Holistic = relating to or concerned with wholes or with complete systems rather than with the analysis of, treatment of, or dissection into parts. )
He has numerous books available on the subject, all of which may be found at virtually any public library. Or if not, ask if you can put in a request for a specific title through their Interlibrary Loan Department).
Well worth the read, imo.
You may want to inquire as to Naturopathic physicians in your area, or even a nutritionist. We are indeed what we eat. If you have food allergies you are unaware of, or if you're diet is off, it will affect everything else about you.

As an aside, "Canker sores" are oral Herpes.
(Aka/ "cold sores" . There is no such thing as a cold sore.

If you get a cold sore while you have a cold, you have herpes. The stress on the immune symptom is simply firing the herpes so it makes an appearance.) Lysine is a great supplement to help retard recurrence, however there is no cure. "Herpanacine" is a very effective combination product remedy that includes Lysine, so as to help bolster the bodies immune system for those who have Herpes. It also helps with chronic skin conditions and is a great blood cleanser (As is Burdock Root and also that Lysine by itself.)

Herbs are most effective in "Standardized Extract" form. This means you're getting the active constituents/properties of that particular herb(s), so that you have the most bang for your buck, sort of speak. Herbs are best in tincture form, preserved with Vegetable Glycerin or superior to that, alcohol* (*about as much as would be found in an over ripe banana and not at all a threat to those in alcoholism recovery).
Tinctures can be added to a cup of hot water, as prescribed on the bottle or by a Holistic Physician, and let to steep for a minute or two so as to be consumed as a tea. This is the fastest absorption rate to the blood stream. (Barring dropping the tincture under your tongue, so that it's properties absorb into the large vein there and immediately into the bloodstream).
The second option is capsule form. Tablets are also available, however they can be with added fillers and they can also be compressed and coated with food grade lacquer so as to keep the tablet shape. Solgar, a vitamin and herb supplement company, uses high compression without any lacquers in order to create their tablets. Capsules are made from vegetable silica.

The rule of thumb for taking herbs is 4 days on 3 days off. This being because like Pharmaceutical medicines, many herbs have a half life and so after you take them they're still working in the body a day or so after. Also, when you take herbs you want the body to have time to assimilate the properties and disperse them where they're needed to supplement the lack of balance and nutrition present in your particular condition. To keep taking herbs everyday overloads the body in this process, and can be one of the causes of adverse reactions or the critique that the herbs just aren't working, when in fact they are, they're just supersaturating the body systems.
Always buy herbs from a health food store, or if you get them from a department store or grocery, make sure you see "Standardized Version" on the label. Anything less can give you stems, leaves, and other parts of the herb(s) and though you'll be getting the herb(s) itself, you'll have to digest all those parts in order to have the effective medicinal properties take effect. Standardized version insures that the medicinal part of the herb(s) is all that you're getting. It's the best version for your money and overall state of health and balance.
Never forget, you're taking a supplement. (As is the case with vitamins). They're intended to be just that. A temporary solution to help supplement what's missing from your natural health and nutrition of the body. Don't become dependent on supplements of any kind. That includes daily vitamins. You should be getting your dietary allowance for that, not feeding the body pills and/or capsules to make up for the deficit every day for years.

Just remember that old adage, which is very applicable when talking about herbs and vitamins. If you don't use it you'll lose it. If one keeps supplementing the body with vitamins and herbs, the body won't have cause to gain it's own strength and sustain it's own nutritional values.
Be wise when taking herbs and vitamins, and you'll be healthier for the effort.
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12-03-2011, 03:07 PM
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I agree with BnW, it looks more like lyme disease than Hyperthyroidism to me..

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