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31-05-2017, 04:10 AM
RE: I'm not a Christian anymore, yet I'm not an Athiest
(31-05-2017 03:58 AM)DogLover12347 Wrote:  My parents don't have Facebook (My mom gets jealous when my dad talks to other women so they both agreed not to have one)
Look, to me you're just really wanting this to be true, which is fine, but I can tell you without any doubt, you have been officially conned because there is no such thing as Pyschic's. I'm going to leave at that, and again if you want to continue getting conned for $250 at a time, then shit a brick, pm me and I'll be your psychic for half that price.

(31-05-2017 04:01 AM)DogLover12347 Wrote:  Even if there wasen't a God, there still has to be something eternal that started it all. See the impossibility of our existence?
But WHY does there need to be a creator/something eternal? Again we don't fully understand what happened pre-big bang, and to be honest we may never know, but if it ever comes to be, with 100% evidence that you are correct, then the world will know about it, and we will all accept it. Right now, there is no evidence of this, so nobody will subscribe to that until there is.

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31-05-2017, 04:13 AM
RE: I'm not a Christian anymore, yet I'm not an Athiest
(31-05-2017 04:08 AM)Robvalue Wrote:  
(31-05-2017 04:01 AM)DogLover12347 Wrote:  Even if there wasen't a God, there still has to be something eternal that started it all. See the impossibility of our existence?


Why does there have to be? You're just making assertions.

All you're saying is you can't imagine things being any other way.

Because something can't come from nothing. I'm just trying to be logical about this.
After all, logic is what caused me to stop being a Christian and living a lifestyle that wrongly judges other people and threaten them with eternal torture. I'm glad I'm not that person anymore.
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31-05-2017, 04:14 AM
RE: I'm not a Christian anymore, yet I'm not an Athiest
(31-05-2017 04:13 AM)DogLover12347 Wrote:  After all, logic is what caused me to stop being a Christian and living a lifestyle that wrongly judges other people and threaten them with eternal torture. I'm glad I'm not that person anymore.
Logic stopped you being a christian yet you still believe in Psychic's? Blink

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31-05-2017, 04:16 AM
RE: I'm not a Christian anymore, yet I'm not an Athiest
(31-05-2017 04:10 AM)Thoreauvian Wrote:  
(30-05-2017 06:19 PM)DogLover12347 Wrote:  Something has to be eternal or else nothing would exist. I meant if atheists are right then nothing is capable of being eternal.


I never said "nothing is capable of being eternal." I was just quoting what you said to point out it was inconsistent.


As far as we know mass/energy can't be created or destroyed. While we don't know that this was true "before the big bang" (if there was
a before), it is still within the realm of possibilities that it was. In that case, the universe in whatever form is eternal, but no single thing can last forever within it. We just don't know yet.


So your first piece of evidence for God fails -- for lack of supporting evidence. You said you had "too much evidence." What else do you
have aside from the cosmological argument? (Even psychics can't get you there if we can pose alternative explanations which can't be disproved.)
If nothing in the universe can last forever then it's not eternal. Eternal is to forever exist in the future.
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31-05-2017, 04:19 AM
RE: I'm not a Christian anymore, yet I'm not an Athiest
(31-05-2017 04:14 AM)OakTree500 Wrote:  
(31-05-2017 04:13 AM)DogLover12347 Wrote:  After all, logic is what caused me to stop being a Christian and living a lifestyle that wrongly judges other people and threaten them with eternal torture. I'm glad I'm not that person anymore.
Logic stopped you being a christian yet you still believe in Psychic's? Blink
Because she proved it to me. I don't believe in anything without proof.
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31-05-2017, 04:19 AM
RE: I'm not a Christian anymore, yet I'm not an Athiest
(31-05-2017 04:13 AM)DogLover12347 Wrote:  
(31-05-2017 04:08 AM)Robvalue Wrote:  Why does there have to be? You're just making assertions.

All you're saying is you can't imagine things being any other way.

Because something can't come from nothing. I'm just trying to be logical about this.
After all, logic is what caused me to stop being a Christian and living a lifestyle that wrongly judges other people and threaten them with eternal torture. I'm glad I'm not that person anymore.

Why can't something come from nothing? How much experience do you have of "nothing"?

This is just another assertion. Logical arguments, even when correct, are not evidence. This is a very important distinction. Logical arguments only ever take us from assumptions to a conclusion. They can never show those assumptions are actually true.

Only in abstract systems, where we define certain assumptions to be true, can we use arguments as evidence.

It seems you're uncomfortable with the idea that we don't know, and that you need an answer of some sort.

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31-05-2017, 04:25 AM
RE: I'm not a Christian anymore, yet I'm not an Athiest
(31-05-2017 04:19 AM)Robvalue Wrote:  
(31-05-2017 04:13 AM)DogLover12347 Wrote:  Because something can't come from nothing. I'm just trying to be logical about this.
After all, logic is what caused me to stop being a Christian and living a lifestyle that wrongly
judges other people and threaten them with eternal torture. I'm glad I'm not that person anymore.



Why can't something come from nothing? How much experience do you have of "nothing"?


This is just another assertion. Logical arguments, even when correct, are not evidence. This is a very important distinction. Logical arguments only ever take us from
assumptions to a conclusion. They can never show those assumptions are actually true.

Only in abstract systems, where we define certain assumptions to be true, can we use
arguments as evidence.

It seems you're uncomfortable with the idea that we don't know, and that you need an answer of some sort.
Does that mean scientists don't know anything about life for certain and never will?
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31-05-2017, 04:26 AM
RE: I'm not a Christian anymore, yet I'm not an Athiest
(31-05-2017 04:19 AM)DogLover12347 Wrote:  
(31-05-2017 04:14 AM)OakTree500 Wrote:  Logic stopped you being a christian yet you still believe in Psychic's? Blink
Because she proved it to me. I don't believe in anything without proof.

Ok then:
Quote:Critics attribute psychic powers to intentional trickery or to self-delusion

In 1988 the U.S. National Academy of Sciences gave a report on the subject and
concluded there is "no scientific justification from research conducted over a
period of 130 years for the existence of parapsychological phenomena."

A study attempted to repeat recently reported parapsychological experiments
that appeared to support the existence of precognition.
Attempts to repeat the results, which involved performance on a memory test to
ascertain if post-test information would affect it,
"failed to produce significant effects", and thus "do not support the existence
of psychic ability,"and is thus categorized as a pseudoscience.

And:

Quote:Parapsychological research has attempted to use random number generators to
test for psychokinesis, mild sensory deprivation in the Ganzfeld experiment to
test for extrasensory perception, and research trials conducted under contract
by the U.S. government to investigate remote viewing. Critics such as Ed J. Gracely
say that this evidence is not sufficient for acceptance, partly because the
intrinsic probability of psychic phenomena is very small.

Critics such as Ray Hyman and the National Science Foundation suggest that
parapsychology has methodological flaws that can explain the experimental results
that parapsychologists attribute to paranormal explanations, and various critics
have classed the field as pseudoscience. This has largely been due to lack of
replication of results by independent experimenters.

The evidence presented for psychic phenomena is not sufficiently verified for
scientific acceptance, and there exist many non-paranormal alternative
explanations for claimed instances of psychic events. Parapsychologists, who
generally believe that there is some evidence for psychic ability, disagree with
critics who believe that no psychic ability exists and that many of the instances
of more popular psychic phenomena such as mediumism, can be attributed to
non-paranormal techniques such as cold reading, hot reading, or even self-delusion.
Cold reading techniques would include psychics using flattery, intentionally making
descriptions, statements or predictions about a person vague and ambiguous,
and surreptitiously moving on to another prediction when the psychic deems the
audience to be non-responsive.

Magicians such as James Randi, Ian Rowland and Derren Brown have demonstrated
techniques and results similar to those of popular psychics,
but they present physical and psychological explanations as opposed to paranormal
ones.

In January 2008 the results of a study using neuroimaging were published.
To provide what are purported to be the most favorable experimental conditions,
the study included appropriate emotional stimuli and had participants who are
biologically or emotionally related, such as twins. The experiment was designed to
produce positive results if telepathy, clairvoyance or precognition occurred,
but despite this no distinguishable neuronal responses were found between psychic
stimuli and non-psychic stimuli, while variations in the same stimuli showed
anticipated effects on patterns of brain activation. The researchers concluded
that "These findings are the strongest evidence yet obtained against the existence
of paranormal mental phenomena."

James Alcock had cautioned the researchers against the wording of said statement.

A detailed study of Sylvia Browne predictions about missing persons and
murder cases has found that despite her repeated claims to be more than 85% correct
"Browne has not even been mostly correct in a single case."
Concerning the television psychics, James Underdown states that testing psychics
in a studio setting is difficult as there are too many areas to control:
the psychic could be getting help from anyone on the set.

The editor controls everything; they can make a psychic look superior or
ridiculous depending on direction from the producer.
In an Independent Investigation Group IIG expose of John Edward and James Van
Praagh they discovered that what was actually said on the tape day,
and what was broadcast to the public were "substantially different in the accuracy.
They're getting rid of the wrong guesses... Once you pull back the curtain and see
how it's done, it's not impressive at all."

Basically: TL;DR - It's scientificually and legally crap.

Can you tell me EXACTLY what you/she said?

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31-05-2017, 04:28 AM
RE: I'm not a Christian anymore, yet I'm not an Athiest
(31-05-2017 04:25 AM)DogLover12347 Wrote:  
(31-05-2017 04:19 AM)Robvalue Wrote:  Why can't something come from nothing? How much experience do you have of "nothing"?


This is just another assertion. Logical arguments, even when correct, are not evidence. This is a very important distinction. Logical arguments only ever take us from
assumptions to a conclusion. They can never show those assumptions are actually true.

Only in abstract systems, where we define certain assumptions to be true, can we use
arguments as evidence.

It seems you're uncomfortable with the idea that we don't know, and that you need an answer of some sort.
Does that mean scientists don't know anything about life for certain and never will?

Scientists don't know anything for certain. That's not what science does. It simply models reality. We can't model things we have no data about. We have data about life, so we can model it. We can test those models. We have no data about anything that happened before a certain point in our history, so we cannot test any models. They are merely speculative.

This is where religion runs riot, filing these gaps. I'm glad you've escaped it, but the thinking it preys on is still present somewhat.

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31-05-2017, 04:33 AM
RE: I'm not a Christian anymore, yet I'm not an Athiest
Nothing about you or your story adds up, to my reading...Wondering whether you're a liar for Jesus? a sock puppet (your writing style seems a little familiar)? a generic troll?
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