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03-03-2016, 07:48 AM
RE: I'm scared Trump will be president
(03-03-2016 01:04 AM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  
(02-03-2016 01:47 PM)DerFish Wrote:  We have to remember that Hitler too was legally elected to begin with, and had crowds swooning whenever he spoke.

He wasn't elected. He was appointed Chancellor by Hindenburg.

/historygeek

You can gather that up from just a few rounds of Secret Hitler too

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03-03-2016, 08:06 AM
RE: I'm scared Trump will be president
(02-03-2016 01:42 PM)Commonsensei Wrote:  Babylonan Empire ruffly 2000 years

Ancient Greece 1000

Rome 500 years.

British empire 346 years

Current US 240 years.

So if the steady decline is right we have 10 more years. Just long enough for Drumpf to bring us to our knees.

Added in a data point for you. Interesting trend though.

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03-03-2016, 08:14 AM
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If we're gonna be like Babylon, clearly we need leaders like Hammurabi.

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03-03-2016, 08:15 AM
RE: I'm scared Trump will be president
(03-03-2016 01:04 AM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  
(02-03-2016 01:47 PM)DerFish Wrote:  We have to remember that Hitler too was legally elected to begin with, and had crowds swooning whenever he spoke.

He wasn't elected. He was appointed Chancellor by Hindenburg.

/historygeek

After winning a share of the votes though.

I've been reading The anatomy of fascism which compares different fascist movements and looks at why some are successful and others fail. Generally the conservatives were afraid of a greater threat such as communism or socialism and gave away power to what they see as the lesser of two evils. That's a different time though and America is a completely different political landscape. But the parallels between Drumpf, Hitler and Mussolini are too large to ignore.
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03-03-2016, 11:02 AM
RE: I'm scared Trump will be president
(03-03-2016 08:15 AM)Mathilda Wrote:  But the parallels between Drumpf, Hitler and Mussolini are too large to ignore.

Well, populism is populism.

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03-03-2016, 11:28 AM (This post was last modified: 03-03-2016 11:34 AM by Thumpalumpacus.)
RE: I'm scared Trump will be president
(03-03-2016 08:15 AM)Mathilda Wrote:  
(03-03-2016 01:04 AM)Thumpalumpacus Wrote:  He wasn't elected. He was appointed Chancellor by Hindenburg.

/historygeek

After winning a share of the votes though.

A minority share which wasn't enough to give him any office or any power. In other words, he wasn't elected, he was appointed.

Indeed, the NSDAP's numbers had declined from the July 1932 election to the November election; they lost seats in Parliament, and that after Hitler lost his campaign for the Presidency in April.

The NaZi star was waning months before Hitler was appointed to office.

(03-03-2016 08:15 AM)Mathilda Wrote:  But the parallels between Drumpf, Hitler and Mussolini are too large to ignore.

I'm aware of the parallels, but I'm skeptical of the value of pointing them out to an American public abysmally ignorant of history.
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03-03-2016, 11:30 AM
RE: I'm scared Trump will be president
Mittens Romney said this AM : "Trump is a phony and a fraud".
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03-03-2016, 11:34 AM
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(03-03-2016 11:30 AM)Bucky Ball Wrote:  Mittens Romney said this AM : "Trump is a phony and a fraud".
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Ouch. That's gonna leave a mark.




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03-03-2016, 12:30 PM
RE: I'm scared Trump will be president
(02-03-2016 01:42 PM)Commonsensei Wrote:  Babylonan Empire ruffly 2000 years

Ancient Greece 1000

Rome 500 years.

Current US 240 years.

So if the steady decline is right we have 10 more years. Just long enough for Drumpf to bring us to our knees.

I'm not an expert on ancient history, so take this with a grain of salt, but I'm skeptical about the number for Greece. As far as I know, ancient Greece consisted of a bunch of independent city-states, who were often busy fighting each other (i.e., Athens vs. Sparta). It wasn't any kind of unified empire until the time of Alexander the Great, and just a few hundred years after that, they were swallowed up by the Roman empire. I don't see how ancient Greece can be said to have lasted 1000 years as a nation.
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03-03-2016, 01:05 PM
RE: I'm scared Trump will be president
(03-03-2016 12:30 PM)Grasshopper Wrote:  
(02-03-2016 01:42 PM)Commonsensei Wrote:  Babylonan Empire ruffly 2000 years

Ancient Greece 1000

Rome 500 years.

Current US 240 years.

So if the steady decline is right we have 10 more years. Just long enough for Drumpf to bring us to our knees.

I'm not an expert on ancient history, so take this with a grain of salt, but I'm skeptical about the number for Greece. As far as I know, ancient Greece consisted of a bunch of independent city-states, who were often busy fighting each other (i.e., Athens vs. Sparta). It wasn't any kind of unified empire until the time of Alexander the Great, and just a few hundred years after that, they were swallowed up by the Roman empire. I don't see how ancient Greece can be said to have lasted 1000 years as a nation.

Cultures are longer lasting than political entities. AFAIK Greek culture hung around in a more or less recognisable form to the present day - Lawrence Durrell (IIRC) talks about meeting a peasant somewhere in the Aegean who told him the story of how St Dionysius discovered wine, which was identical to the legend recorded by some other bloke 2000 odd years earlier of how the God *Dionysus* discovered wine. Apparently back in the early days of Christianity the cult of Dionysus was so strong and so resistant to evangelism that eventually they had to make the bugger a saint just to get the lads on their side.

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