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11-12-2014, 06:47 AM
RE: I'm scared of hell
You gotta be Christian to go to hell, which is stupid, because in order to be Christian one must accept Holy Spirit, and Holy Spirit abides no evil.

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11-12-2014, 07:36 AM
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Why do you believe there even is a hell? Grow up - hell doesn't exist.
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11-12-2014, 07:49 AM
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Maybe if someone explained it to the OP why hell truly doesn't exist it would be easier to clear that hurdle. This meme I attached sums it up pretty well (hopefully you can view it). Others who are far more educated on this can explain it in better detail, but the idea is that there really isn't a hell, so no need to be afraid of it. Truly a man-made concept.

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11-12-2014, 08:19 AM
RE: I'm scared of hell
I totally understand. Even as an atheist, I used to be scared of hell too. It takes time. I used remind myself of these things to comfort me:

-There is no hell. It's nothing more than a fear tactic.
-Even if there is a hell, what kind of god would send someone there?

After a while of reminding myself of these things, now hell seems like such a weird concept.

Like Nurse said, indoctrination is a bitch.

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11-12-2014, 10:50 AM
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Some eejit long ago told me "hell is when you willingly separate yourself from God, you choose to die rather than to live"... when you're brought up on a diet of expecting to live forever, it comes as a bit of a shock to consider the idea of your imminent demise *and* subsequent total state of no-fucking-being-anywhere-just-decomposing.

It freaked me out for a while, then I just thought, well ya know, these Christee lads can suck a fat one, 'cos regardless of going to heaven or hell, *they* sure as fuck don't know the way to get there.

And then you consider how ridiculous the whole notion is anyway. Like you die. Kersplat. There's like, blood and gore all over the fucking place... and then... somehow it's all OK and you go either live in the sky happily ever after or go scream in torment... somewhat unhappily ever after? And the way it's decided is if you've believed in a being with all your heart who is *explicitly* not gonna prove his existence to you???

It's a kid's story... Like all kid's stories it has power for a while and depending how sincerely your dear old <insert relative here> told you the details it can take you a long time to decide they're fucking nuts, but ultimately... the fear goes away once you realise that beanstalks just don't fucken get that big.

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11-12-2014, 11:36 AM
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Fears aren't always rational. Childhood fears can be very strong and can stay with us for life. If they didn't then people wouldn't suffer from phobias.

My mother grew up with a fear of ghosts for example because my grandmother was a spriritualist. She is unable to stay alone in a house at night with the lights on and would feel safer alone in a dark forest because of her child hood fears

But that doesn't mean to say that you can't deal with your fear. The more you understand the world in terms of Physics and History the more you can put those fears into perspective. This is because there are more things that come to mind when thinking about your fears. There are more things to consider as a well-informed adult than as a child believing everything that adults tell you.

As a child if I thought I saw something ghostly then I would be scared. As an adult I would be wondering whether a ghost was reflecting light or generating its own light in which case wondering what was powering it. I would be considering how the visual cortex can be tricked because it is constantly trying to assemble patterns from sensory stimuli etc.

It is the nature of emotions though that they can take charge and narrow your perceptions, urging you towards certain actions, especially in times of stress. Cognition on the other hand gives you a wider perspective and allows you to consider other possibilities. The two complement each other.

tldr; You may always have a fear of Hell depending on how you were conditioned as a child but as an adult you can nullify those fears by learning more about them.
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11-12-2014, 03:58 PM (This post was last modified: 11-12-2014 04:19 PM by Lienda Bella.)
RE: I'm scared of hell
I hate it when people laugh down at someone else. 'hugs'

Material things like chains, lava, spears, etc. aren't supposed to be in the non-material realm. Neither are gates of gold or buildings of pearl bricks. To keep seeing those bricks forever would drive me mad. I don't know how it would be for you. Being forced to praise a psychotic jerk in the sky on top of that wouldn't be helping the sanity.

I didn't fear hell on my way out, but I had a short period of demons equaling the boogieman. I had to look closer at the religion to realize how wrong it was. What also helped was starting to listen to or take enjoyment in dark and scary parts instead of fighting them all of the time. Don't go full dive. Just little bits. Plus, demons torturing you only means they are serving the sky god rather than defying him.
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11-12-2014, 04:07 PM (This post was last modified: 11-12-2014 04:13 PM by Lienda Bella.)
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(11-12-2014 07:36 AM)Machias Wrote:  Grow up

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11-12-2014, 04:42 PM
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(11-12-2014 04:43 AM)Autumnflowers Wrote:  I'm scared and i haven't found a person who can yet stop and help me.
Every time i tell somebody i'm still scared of hell they find it funny.
But it's not funny because i feel like if i say "I do or don't believe for sure i'll go to hell"
my cousin scared me so bad one night saying "Why take the chance of going to hell?"
I just feel like if i'm "Wrong" if i make one "Mistake" i'll burn forever.
I don't know how to cope with it.
As a kid i went to church with my cousins, my parents allowed me to pick my own path and they new i was skeptic so they'd always say "Why don't you just stay home" (Note: My parents where religious)
Well because my cousins where always there and i had no friends at the time, they where my friends. And there mother was so strongly religious i hardly ever got to hang out with them outside of there church. So i'd go to see them and of course the free snacks what kid wouldn't? But because i still saw them outside of it my parent's didn't understand my point. I used to get to angry and scream running out of the church building because all i wanted was somebody to play with somebody to understand me when it felt like nobody did. I didn't want to pray i didn't want to sit down and listen to a hour long speech about Jesus. Maybe i was just a ignorant kid i'm not sure. To my parents it was about "Do it for respect"
i still didn't want to pray, i didn't want to sit there...i didn't believe in it i guess now that i'm older i'd respect the environment more though. However i till this very day wouldn't pray i wouldn't stand or sing it feels odd to me i just don't feel like that is "ME" because of this i got problems. I fear hell, i fear it so bad i can't get out of saying i'm agnostic. How can i help myself? Have others felt like this because every atheist I've asked so far has told me they never did. I feel "alone"
(Sorry for the spelling mistakes i attempted to do my best)

But my dear, don't you know ...

We Are All Going To Hell?

Yes it’s true. Every last one of us is going to hell, and it doesn’t matter if you are a Christian, Jew, Muslim, Atheist, or if you belong to any faith at all.

Hell will be our final resting place.

So what the hell is “Hell” anyways? According to both Christian and Muslim resources, Hell can be described as a place of eternal damnation where sinners are tortured in an eternal fire for all of eternity.

The Christians arrive at their concept of Hell according to their literal interpretation of the Book of Revelation in the Holy Bible. They arrive at this conclusion based upon a few specific scriptures which seem to identify a place of eternal torture as Hell.

However, most Christians are actually very uneducated in regards to ancient scriptures and ancient forms of writing. The serious student of ancient scripture will recognize the Book of Revelation as a Gnostic writing, with all the typical connotations of that genre. During the time of Christ, and for centuries afterwards, the Gnostic Christians produced hundreds of writings very similar in writing style to the Book of Revelation.

The religion of the Gnostics was known as gnosis which means “knowledge.” Their writing style was exceptionally appealing to the mind, as they used a stunning method of graphical expression with words. Ripe with allegorical and figurative descriptions, the Gnostics carved out a path for themselves in the ancient religious monochrome of ancient Israel and the Roman-Greco Empire of the 1st to the 4th centuries A.D.

For those of you interested in learning and understand more regarding the Gnostics and their writings, you may wish to view their works within the ancient codices known as The Nag Hammadi Library, which can be viewed online Here

Yet, was it really the fault of the Gnostics whereas modern Christian literalists managed to interpret Hell as a place of eternal damnation in a fiery grave? Also, is it the fault of the ancient Christian literalists from whom Muhammad borrowed the concept of a fiery eternal damnation known as Hell in which he has now terrorized hundreds of millions of Muslims for 1400 years with his Quran?

Well, let’s take a look at the origins of Hell and find out for ourselves.

According to the King James Version of the Holy Bible, the earliest reference to Hell is given in Deuteronomy 32.22. The word which was translated from the Hebrew to the Greek, and then onto the English was sheh-ole, and it carries the meaning as such: “world of the dead; a subterranean retreat, including its accessories and inmates:--grave, pit.”

In the King James Bible, the Old Testament term sheol is translated as hell 31 times. However Sheol was also translated as "grave" 31 times. Sheol is also translated as "pit" three times. The KJV translates Hades as Hell 10 times, and as grave once. Hades is traditionally the Greek word used to mean sheol.

Therefore, according to the oldest reference to Hell, all it means is that it is the grave or a pit for the dead. The description of Hell here is that it is but a prison for those whom have passed away. It is never described as a place of eternal damnation where sinners are subjected to torture forever.

Even in the Gospels, Jesus is not recorded as ever saying that Hell was a fiery place of eternal torture and damnation. However, he does make indeed make statements in relation to hell and fire in Mat 5.22, Mat 18.9, and Mark 9.43 etc. But what did he mean by those statements? Let’s investigate …

In the Gospels the word Hell comes from the word of Ghenna, pronounced gheh'-en-nah of Hebrew origin; valley of the son of Hinnom; ge-henna, or Ge-Hinnom, a valley of Jerusalem, used figuratively as a name for the place or state of everlasting punishment.

You’ll be interested to learn that we already know where this place is, and it is not an ethereal place where Satan dwells, but actually the Jerusalem city dump. The actual place referred to is Hinnom, a deep, narrow ravine separating Mount Zion from the so-called "Hill of Evil Counsel" to the southwest of Jerusalem .

Hinnom is first mentioned in Joshua 15:8: “And the border went up by the valley of the son of Hinnom unto the south side of the Jebusite; the same is Jerusalem: and the border went up to the top of the mountain that lieth before the valley of Hinnom westward, which is at the end of the valley of the giants northward.”

It was formerly the place where the idolatrous Jews burned their children alive as a sacrifice to Moloch and Baal. A particular part of the valley was called Tophet, the "fire-stove" or furnace, where the children were burned. After the Exile, in order to show their abhorrence of the locality, the Jews made this valley the receptacle of the refuse of the city. As with refuse, in those times it was burned to keep down vermin, the obvious offensive odors, to maximize space, and a fire was kept constantly burning there.

Excavations carried out at this site from 1975 to 1980 by an archaeological mission turned up remains of nine burial caves around the ravine. In earlier excavations of the actual dump, it was found that the fire was still smoldering after centuries. More info about this Hell can be found Here.

So now that we have nailed down the history of the Christian concept of Hell, how far would it be to make a jump to the Muslim concept, which is almost identical? Actually, we don’t need to go too far at all.

It is without doubt that Muhammad borrowed much from the Torah and Gospels when he constructed his Quran. Although most Muslims like to deny it, the fact of the matter is there is evidence in existence that Muhammad was influenced by both Jews and Christians during his time. One such Christian is spoken about in the Hadith. His name was Waraqa bin Naufal. There are two very interesting Hadiths regarding this man:

Narrated 'Aisha: Volume 4, Book 55, Number 605: Sahih Al-Bukhari

“The Prophet returned to Khadija while his heart was beating rapidly. She took him to Waraqa bin Naufal who was a Christian convert and used to read the Gospel in Arabic …”

As you can see above, Waraqa bin Naufal used to read the Gospel in Arabic. How did he get a gospel in Arabic? That is answered in another Hadith:

Narrated 'Aisha: Volume 1, Book 1, Number 3: Sahih Al-Bukhari

Khadija then accompanied him to her cousin Waraqa bin Naufal bin Asad bin 'Abdul 'Uzza, who, during the pre-Islamic Period became a Christian and used to write the writing with Hebrew letters. He would write from the Gospel in Hebrew as much as Allah wished him to write.

So here we have Waraqa bin Naufal with a Gospel written in Hebrew, and who used to write from this Gospel, and then we suddenly have him reading from a gospel written in Arabic? Was there an Arabic gospel floating around in the time and place of Muhammad back in those days? Apparently, there was.

One such possible Gospel was known as The Arabic Infancy Gospel. Upon reading this gospel we find two outstanding similarities to certain verses within the Quran. Both the Arabic Infancy Gospel and the Quran have Jesus speaking as a baby, and also have Jesus making birds of clay, and then instructing them to fly. Modern scholars agree that the dating of this gospel was sometime in the mid to late 6th century, right around the time of Muhammad.

According to the analysis of textual criticism, the text was originally written in Syriac, a dialect of Aramaic which itself was based upon the Hebrew alphabet. The text became translated into Arabic, probably around the time that Christianity began to spread into the Arabian Peninsula. The narrative of the Arabic Infancy Gospel, particularly the second part concerning the miracles in Egypt , can also be found in the Quran. According to some critical scholarship, its presence in the Quran may be due to the influence the Gospel had among the Arabs.

More information on this gospel can be found Here.

So now we have a link between specific verses in the Quran and specific verses from a gospel which was accessible to Muhammad during his time. This tells us clearly that Muhammad was indeed influenced by Christian theology in Arabia during his time, especially when the Hadith clearly shows an Arabic gospel within his very grasp.

My English version of the Quran mentions hell almost 100 times. Due to its graphical description of Hell, the Quran repeatedly characterizes Hell as a fiery place of eternal torture and damnation. This Quranic description of Hell is almost identical to the orally propagated beliefs of the early century Christians whose descendants have continued this tradition into the modern age, along with Islam.

Yet, this description of Hell as a place of eternal torture just doesn't jibe with the actual history of what Hell really is. Because of this, we find billions of Christians and Muslims being subdued and controlled by a man-made myth for almost 2000 years.

The real Hell is not some fiery place of eternal torture and damnation. We could even say that the real Hell is not even the grave. But damn few of us can say that when we look at all the hatred, wars, killing, and other tragedies befalling the human race today that Hell does not exist, for it certainly does exist.

Hell exists, and it has been running rampant upon the face of the earth for far too long. You can see it in the eyes of the suicide bomber, airplane hijackers, and through the actions of those who behead the innocent in the name of Allah.

Perhaps tt’s time for the human race to tell Hell … to go to Hell.

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11-12-2014, 09:26 PM
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^^ If I could like this more than once I would. Nice job, Free. See, I told you someone smarter than me could explain it for me. Thanks!

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