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13-05-2017, 09:58 PM
RE: I may not be back for some time
But you chew your leg off, didn't you Br'er DelJoy...

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13-05-2017, 10:52 PM
RE: I may not be back for some time
(13-05-2017 09:58 PM)Vera Wrote:  But you chew your leg off, didn't you Br'er DelJoy...

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Laugh out load We'll not risk another frontal assault. That rabbit's dynamite!

I haven't read Watership Down in decades! There was actually a movie made?! Wow.
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14-05-2017, 05:54 AM
RE: I may not be back for some time
(13-05-2017 10:15 AM)WhiskeyDebates Wrote:  I'm more annoyed that he's blatantly used the PI&S section as a shield to protect himself from criticism while he tries to dishonestly frame everyone in the Jesus thread who disagreed with him as "fundamentalist".

Just look at his OP in PI&S:

I absolutely reject the fundamentalist assertion that only people within your social group are enlightened and intelligent .....
Yet in the Jesus thread, he accuses anyone who disagrees with his belief as being as stupid as holocaust deniers and flat earthers.

And you can't reason with fundamentalists, their minds are made up are they're not interested in anything that challenges their world-views.
He claims this toward a group of people who, for many and myself included, changed from believing Jesus was a real person to the position that the available evidence does not support that position. My world view, such as that question is relevant towards, changed when I looked at the evidence, and I am not alone.

When I became an atheist I knew that I wouldn't become a fundamentalist because I'm interested in informing all of my views through evidence-based practise.
Yet repeatedly when asked for evidence, such as when I asked him what evidence we have for Jesus that we don't have for Moses; or when asked what evidence for Jesus is all encompassing as that for a round earth, he refused to provide ANY evidentiary support. What he had to offer instead was dismissive and dishonest, and a fallacious argument for popularity and authority.

And here I've been constantly attacked for my interests - which I don't understand at all.
No one attacked him for his interest, at least not that I can see, but rather for his dishonest, evasive, and fallacious defense of those interests. This has been pointed out by several people now but he repeatedly takes any criticism of his position, up to and including just not agreeing with him, as personal attacks.

And told by fundamentalists that I'm "not a real atheist".
A real atheist but in no way shape or form a skeptic or a rationalist.

What I really need to find is an online community that is more accepting, where I can post and discuss things that interest me without facing constant personal attacks, that I can feel a proper valued part of, and I don't think that's TTA.
This is utter nonsense. He has had an almost entirely positive rep for his entire stay here, has been a fantastic contributor for the vast vast majority of that time, and most people have nothing but good things to say about him.

However. In the thread on Jesus existance, he was demonstrably dishonest, demonstrably evasive, while also insulting everyone in that thread that disagreed with his fallacious arguments and positions and then ran to PI&S to complain about the people HE was insulting without having to worry about those people he was slandering being able to defend themselves.
That is bloody shameful.

In my opinion, his behavior can be characterized as gaslighting. This destroys any constructive conversation on a subject, a simple acknowledgement that each side doesn't really have enough evidence to decisively nail down the argument would be a simple way to get past it, but when someone accuses the other of being equal to a Holocaust denier?

This is a hyperbolic accusation and is done in bad-faith, I think he went into Godwin's law territory here, this is not how you have a useful conversation.

We won't resolve the issue of mythicism here, but it is a REASONABLE conversation to have and it is reasonable to be able to discuss this without the outrageous ad-hominem.

If Aractus actually wants to have a useful conversation on this subject, he needs to stop behaving in this manner and acknowledge that other opinions on the subject may have decent points to make.

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14-05-2017, 06:12 AM
RE: I may not be back for some time
(13-05-2017 10:52 PM)Fireball Wrote:  I haven't read Watership Down in decades! There was actually a movie made?! Wow.

I haven't read Watership Down, period. Tried to earlier this year. Was bored out of my limited wits and even limiteder peace of mind.

Yeah, there's been a movie and apparently there's been parents bitching about it being scary and cruel. Um, duh - just because it has wittle bunny wabbits doesn't mean it's for kiddies, didn't YOU read the book?

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14-05-2017, 07:50 AM
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(13-05-2017 10:52 PM)Fireball Wrote:  I haven't read Watership Down in decades! There was actually a movie made?! Wow.

What?!? You've never seen this epic work of childhood trauma?

So many parents make the mistake of animated = cartoon = kid's show! It has talking animals after all. Facepalm




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14-05-2017, 10:52 PM
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I guess I'm never going to find out what kind of fundamentalist I am. It would be nice if Aractus could admit this was a foolish and incorrect broadbrushing if he's not going to back it up. We are, after all, a fluid group of random atheists not some hierarchy within a cult.

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15-05-2017, 02:58 AM
RE: I may not be back for some time
(14-05-2017 10:52 PM)Robvalue Wrote:  I guess I'm never going to find out what kind of fundamentalist I am.

One of the posters at the Amazon atheist forum kept accusing us of being "fundamentalist atheists" or some such, but he didn't back his accusations up with specifics when asked. He considered it "obvious." So I guess it was just meant as an insult.
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15-05-2017, 06:04 AM
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The only thing I'd say is a fairly common theme, here and on my previous atheist forum, is that a lot of the atheists are sceptics. I happily identify as one. I don't know if this is representative of atheists as a whole, or whether sceptics are more drawn to such forums.

I suppose most are also secularists; it would be kind of weird not to be one as an atheist.

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15-05-2017, 06:30 AM
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(14-05-2017 10:52 PM)Robvalue Wrote:  not some hierarchy within a cult.

Don't make me teach you your place in the foodchain the hard way, plebe! Drinking Beverage

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15-05-2017, 07:53 AM
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(14-05-2017 06:12 AM)Vera Wrote:  I haven't read Watership Down, period. Tried to earlier this year. Was bored out of my limited wits and even limiteder peace of mind.

I'm 99.9% sure that "limiteder" is not a valid English word, but I love it anyway! I'm-a gonna steal it.

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