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10-09-2014, 01:45 PM
RE: I need convincing pictures...
If A causes B and B causes C, did A cause C?

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10-09-2014, 02:06 PM
RE: I need convincing pictures...
(10-09-2014 01:45 PM)Adrianime Wrote:  If A causes B and B causes C, did A cause C?

Indirectly yes.

(31-07-2014 04:37 PM)Luminon Wrote:  America is full of guns, but they're useless, because nobody has the courage to shoot an IRS agent in self-defense
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10-09-2014, 02:24 PM
RE: I need convincing pictures...
(10-09-2014 02:06 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  
(10-09-2014 01:45 PM)Adrianime Wrote:  If A causes B and B causes C, did A cause C?

Indirectly yes.
I think so too. But then there is the question of if any fault lies in A when B causes a negative event C. I think the answer to that one is "sometimes". Or maybe even "Often".

..Rambling..

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10-09-2014, 02:30 PM
RE: I need convincing pictures...
(10-09-2014 02:24 PM)Adrianime Wrote:  
(10-09-2014 02:06 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  Indirectly yes.
I think so too. But then there is the question of if any fault lies in A when B causes a negative event C. I think the answer to that one is "sometimes". Or maybe even "Often".

..Rambling..

I think it depends how immediately B causes C after A causes B. If it is instantaneous then there is definite fault with A. Example here A shoots a Gun at a old Bottle (B) The Bottle shatters and the shards impale a bystander (C ). The Shooter (A) is most definitely at fault for the injury.

Now same example A shoots a bottle it explodes and 6 weeks later someone walking barefoot steps on a shard of glass. A still caused B which in turn caused C but in this case A could not be said to be at fault.

(31-07-2014 04:37 PM)Luminon Wrote:  America is full of guns, but they're useless, because nobody has the courage to shoot an IRS agent in self-defense
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10-09-2014, 02:47 PM
RE: I need convincing pictures...
So going by Christian mythology...and some Christians' logic.

if "god" is A
"Free will" is B
and "bad things in the world" is C

Would god be at fault for bad things in the world that occurred because of free will "THOUSANDS" Laugh out load of years after god created free will? Has the statute of limitations passed?

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10-09-2014, 02:48 PM
RE: I need convincing pictures...
(10-09-2014 02:47 PM)Adrianime Wrote:  So going by Christian theology...and some Christians' logic.

if "god" is A
"Free will" is B
and "bad things in the world" is C

Would god be at fault for bad things in the world that occurred because of free will "THOUSANDS" Laugh out load of years after god created free will? Has the statute of limitations passed?

To a timeless and eternal all powerful entity what is a few thousand years?

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10-09-2014, 03:22 PM
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(10-09-2014 02:48 PM)Revenant77x Wrote:  To a timeless and eternal all powerful entity what is a few thousand years?
You're quoting William Lane Craig. Right?

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10-09-2014, 03:24 PM
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(10-09-2014 12:36 PM)Chas Wrote:  
(10-09-2014 12:22 PM)yakherder Wrote:  Only good things are because of God. The bad things are because of free will.

Well, yeah, that goes without saying. Dodgy
Still, it needed to be said.Thumbsup

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11-09-2014, 12:15 AM
RE: I need convincing pictures...
(10-09-2014 01:44 PM)Adrianime Wrote:  
(10-09-2014 11:14 AM)Chas Wrote:  A really hard slap in the face will fix that expression. Yes

So THIS is when it is okay to hit a woman? Gasp

hah just kidding, *referencing a different thread*.

To be correct, its never ok to hit anyone Wink

But accidentally giving her contaminated food, that will cause her to be ill for weeks is okay.
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11-09-2014, 05:44 AM
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(10-09-2014 08:10 AM)Anna Wrote:  If I give them examples verbally they wouldn't believe, but if I had pictures of real people with real tragedies, that'll get them. Their identities will be hidden ofcourse. Think it will work?

As others have said, they have ways of hand-waving these problems away. There are entire subsets of apologetics to deal with it. Cognitive dissonance sucks, but mental gymnastics can help!


(10-09-2014 01:44 PM)Adrianime Wrote:  
(10-09-2014 11:14 AM)Chas Wrote:  A really hard slap in the face will fix that expression. Yes

So THIS is when it is okay to hit a woman? Gasp

If you hit her in such a way that she grows a beard, it doesn't count.

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