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09-08-2013, 06:45 AM (This post was last modified: 09-08-2013 06:57 AM by Freethinker2.)
I sincerely need your kind help. Struggled one year daily with Philosophy
The reason I struggle is that one need to be bright to get Philosophy

Most atheists that are active on forums seems to be bright enough
to get Philosophy or they never admit them fail to make use of it.

Now on two other forums I struggled daily for one year to get it.

I exchanged views with other fellow atheists on definition of atheist
and theist and agnostic and apatheist and igtheist and so on.

I almost lost my love to live. I realized that there is no way for me
to get Philosophy it is too demanding it is a total mystery to me.

To show how my thinking goes so you get the background clear.

Atheism and theism is somehow related to religion in my logic.
so I start here with wikipedia Anthropology of religion
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anthropology_of_religion
Quote:that every religion is a cultural product created by the human community that practices it
My logic then makes it very logical that if a community creates a religion then the God of that religion is almost made up by them or at least
interpreted by them.
okay so what is a god then if one logically start from this view.
It suggest we look at social psychology of groups.

Social psychology http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_psychology

Quote:the scientific study of how people's thoughts, feelings,
and behaviors are influenced by the actual, imagined,
or implied presence of others.

God is thus an imagined person that influence humans thoughts.

so this view that I have is that all gods are made up by humans.
What the believer do is to follow the norms of that community
that have a particular religious tradition. But seen from my view
and the view of Anthropology of religion and Social psychology they willingly suspend doubts and disbelief and
commit to this created and imagined God.

As atheists we could say they are deceived by the community
and deluded and mistaken about the facts on that God.

Now to my horror strident atheists say all this is irrelevant.
Despite these two being known science views.
Anthropology of religion and social psychology.
Sure it is soft science
but is philosophy a hard science or why care about philosophy
if I have support from both Anthropology of religion and social psychology?

I trust that most atheists would not even bother to care.
But I am not like most atheists. What others think matters very much
to me.

If not a single atheist agree with me then it is not logical to me
to see myself as an atheist. I am more like a AnthroMythoTheist.
I really believe these wikipedia texts point to something very true
about gods. This is how humans create them and make them up.


Now what really kills me. The strident atheists don't let me be
anything else than an atheist despite me barely survive as atheist.

They seems to find joy in forcing me to be atheist against my will.
they show no empathy with that I lose my love for life being atheist.

Why can I not be released from being atheist if it kills me?
Is there not something extremely wrong with philosophy if it
force itself on people that feels very bad about something they
have no control over like lack of belief in gods.

I can not deceive me to believe I fail to delude me to believe
and I can not consciously mistake that a god exists.

I find it most likely they are made up and created by humans
so why this obsession with forcing me into a category.

I mean how rational is it to create an enemy out of me for gaining
one more atheist to count. Let me go of being atheist and allow me
to be anthromythotheist. or what term that is better.
anthro+mytho+theist = Humans made the myths about God is what it means.

Atheists should be empathic enough to realize when enough is enough
and atheists can let go of us utterly few who are unwilling to self identify as atheist.

I've been a strident anti-theist anti-religionist and strong atheist
for more than 55 years so atheism can afford to let me off the hook
those 5 years I will survive if I am allowed to be something else than atheist.

Could you treat me friendly hopefully. I feel very depressed about the whole thing. It is overwhelming.
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09-08-2013, 06:58 AM
RE: I sincerely need your kind help. Struggled one year daily with Philosophy
Forgive me but I'm not really understanding the problem.

You say that some people are "forcing me to be atheist against my will"...

I think you need to find a different social group.

Be whoever and whatever you want to be.

Undecided

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09-08-2013, 07:04 AM
RE: I sincerely need your kind help. Struggled one year daily with Philosophy
It really is true. I spend 12 month on two different atheist forums
and they told me it is impossible logically to leave atheism.

So your recommendation there does not work. I am by definition atheist.
They told be that one can fool oneself with any other name one are still atheist to them.
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09-08-2013, 07:07 AM
RE: I sincerely need your kind help. Struggled one year daily with Philosophy
Some people actually believe that a personal god exists. They are theists.

Some people don't believe this. They are atheists.

Call yourself whatever you like.

Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method.
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09-08-2013, 07:10 AM
RE: I sincerely need your kind help. Struggled one year daily with Philosophy
Dude, fuck them forums. Thumbsup

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09-08-2013, 07:17 AM
RE: I sincerely need your kind help. Struggled one year daily with Philosophy
(09-08-2013 07:04 AM)Freethinker2 Wrote:  It really is true. I spend 12 month on two different atheist forums
and they told me it is impossible logically to leave atheism.

So your recommendation there does not work. I am by definition atheist.
They told be that one can fool oneself with any other name one are still atheist to them.

Dude, it's not fucking rocket science.

Do you believe in God?

Yes - you're a theist.
No - you're an atheist.

It's that fucking simple.

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09-08-2013, 07:22 AM
RE: I sincerely need your kind help. Struggled one year daily with Philosophy
(09-08-2013 07:17 AM)earmuffs Wrote:  
(09-08-2013 07:04 AM)Freethinker2 Wrote:  It really is true. I spend 12 month on two different atheist forums
and they told me it is impossible logically to leave atheism.

So your recommendation there does not work. I am by definition atheist.
They told be that one can fool oneself with any other name one are still atheist to them.

Dude, it's not fucking rocket science.

Do you believe in God?

Yes - you're a theist.
No - you're an atheist.

It's that fucking simple.

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09-08-2013, 07:23 AM
RE: I sincerely need your kind help. Struggled one year daily with Philosophy
Well,stay here. We aint forcing atheism on anybody. It seems you went to forums with really militant atheists. And philosophy is not science. And wikipdedia is inacurate many times. If you want the real stuff,folow the refferences at the bottom of the page.

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It's too damn "peopley" out there....
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09-08-2013, 07:40 AM
RE: I sincerely need your kind help. Struggled one year daily with Philosophy
Seems to me you're taking the whole "we gotta have a label for everything" a little too personal. Yeah, in order to discuss things, there has to be some sort of word, or "label" applied to everything, but this label can be whatever you choose it to be.

Anthromythotheist sounds cool to me, you got your own little niche going there. Thumbsup

(and it makes a bit more sense than being a gwynnite, no offense HoC)

Plus, as far as philosophy goes, you're doing it just as well as anyone else.

But now I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth.

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09-08-2013, 07:40 AM
RE: I sincerely need your kind help. Struggled one year daily with Philosophy
Thanks to all that shared your views. so I should not care about them?
But they told me their views as the accurate views. if other atheists
did not agree too bad for the other atheists because these knew their logic.

I think it would be great if atheism was as easy as Rocket science. Smile
I don't trust that philosophy is easy. George Smith wrote his book 1974
Atheism the Case against God. Already 1979 Michael Martin complained
about his lack of logic so it is not as easy as Rocket Science.

But strident atheists has decided that it is easy because they say so.
I am not intelligent enough to get it.

But I feel rather confident that I get what Anthropology of Religion
and Social Psychology say about religious communities and their gods.

that is way easier than Rocket science and philosophy too.

But the strident atheists assured me that science is totally irrelevant.
to me science means the most trustful method to get knowledge.

If science tells me that humans create their religions and imagine their gods
then to me that is more likely than that philosophy knows anything about it.
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