I sincerely need your kind help. Struggled one year daily with Philosophy
Post Reply
 
Thread Rating:
  • 0 Votes - 0 Average
  • 1
  • 2
  • 3
  • 4
  • 5
09-08-2013, 07:48 AM
RE: I sincerely need your kind help. Struggled one year daily with Philosophy
(09-08-2013 07:40 AM)Freethinker2 Wrote:  Thanks to all that shared your views. so I should not care about them?
But they told me their views as the accurate views. if other atheists
did not agree too bad for the other atheists because these knew their logic.

I think it would be great if atheism was as easy as Rocket science. Smile
I don't trust that philosophy is easy. George Smith wrote his book 1974
Atheism the Case against God. Already 1979 Michael Martin complained
about his lack of logic so it is not as easy as Rocket Science.

But strident atheists has decided that it is easy because they say so.
I am not intelligent enough to get it.

But I feel rather confident that I get what Anthropology of Religion
and Social Psychology say about religious communities and their gods.

that is way easier than Rocket science and philosophy too.

But the strident atheists assured me that science is totally irrelevant.
to me science means the most trustful method to get knowledge.

If science tells me that humans create their religions and imagine their gods
then to me that is more likely than that philosophy knows anything about it.

Maybe this will help.

There is no "philosophy of atheism".

Atheism only refers to whether or not you believe in god. This part of your worldview may inform your philosophy at times, but I think you're just trying too hard to understand something that doesn't really exist.

But now I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth.

~ Umberto Eco
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 1 user Likes evenheathen's post
09-08-2013, 07:48 AM
RE: I sincerely need your kind help. Struggled one year daily with Philosophy
(09-08-2013 07:40 AM)evenheathen Wrote:  Seems to me you're taking the whole "we gotta have a label for everything" a little too personal. Yeah, in order to discuss things, there has to be some sort of word, or "label" applied to everything, but this label can be whatever you choose it to be.

Anthromythotheist sounds cool to me, you got your own little niche going there. Thumbsup

(and it makes a bit more sense than being a gwynnite, no offense HoC)

Plus, as far as philosophy goes, you're doing it just as well as anyone else.

Thanks, I don't thing the name is important
what is important to me is that science has had this view since 1841
with Ludwig Feuerbach coming up with it and he got support from
Marx and Freud too and as recent as year 2000 by Steward Guthrie
only making a minor change to the definition given already 1841.

Feuerbach : 1841
religion is created by the human community that worships it
Guthrie: 2000
religion is a cultural product created by the human community that practices it

So had they done research that over thrown this knowledge then
a lot of strident anthropologists would have demanded they changed that text.

Social psychology seems to be rather sure they get it right too.
so I start from science instead of starting from philosophy as
the atheists does so I am not a self identifying atheist
but sure by definition made by atheists I am 100% atheist.

Human made up gods is compatible with I lack belief that gods exists.
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 1 user Likes Freethinker2's post
09-08-2013, 07:54 AM
RE: I sincerely need your kind help. Struggled one year daily with Philosophy
(09-08-2013 07:48 AM)evenheathen Wrote:  
(09-08-2013 07:40 AM)Freethinker2 Wrote:  Thanks to all that shared your views. so I should not care about them?
But they told me their views as the accurate views. if other atheists
did not agree too bad for the other atheists because these knew their logic.

I think it would be great if atheism was as easy as Rocket science. Smile
I don't trust that philosophy is easy. George Smith wrote his book 1974
Atheism the Case against God. Already 1979 Michael Martin complained
about his lack of logic so it is not as easy as Rocket Science.

But strident atheists has decided that it is easy because they say so.
I am not intelligent enough to get it.

But I feel rather confident that I get what Anthropology of Religion
and Social Psychology say about religious communities and their gods.

that is way easier than Rocket science and philosophy too.

But the strident atheists assured me that science is totally irrelevant.
to me science means the most trustful method to get knowledge.

If science tells me that humans create their religions and imagine their gods
then to me that is more likely than that philosophy knows anything about it.

Maybe this will help.

There is no "philosophy of atheism".

Atheism only refers to whether or not you believe in god. This part of your worldview may inform your philosophy at times, but I think you're just trying too hard to understand something that doesn't really exist.

Yes maybe I should not name it philosophy of strident atheists.

What they told me was
that the definition of weak atheism
was logically set up in a way
that does not allow one to not be atheist

other than if one have a delusion that a real god exists.
Or one are deceived to have faith in that such god exists
or one are honestly mistake that such god exists.

I can do none of these so they say it is impossible for me to leave atheism
because I have never joined it it is a definition and it can not be changed.

this one scared the hell out of me.

Atheism it is a definition and it can not be changed

If humans have come up with a bad definition that makes people feel bad
then it is very easy to change that definition to have a add on
that if you feel bad about being defined to be an atheist you
can leave it by saying no to this agreement. As easy as that.
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
09-08-2013, 07:57 AM
RE: I sincerely need your kind help. Struggled one year daily with Philosophy
(09-08-2013 07:40 AM)Freethinker2 Wrote:  Thanks to all that shared your views. so I should not care about them?
if you want to. It depends what you want. Nobody should force a beliefsystem on you
Quote:But they told me their views as the accurate views. if other atheists
did not agree, too bad for the other atheists because these knew their logic.
Quote:I think it would be great if atheism was as easy as Rocket science. Smile
I don't trust that philosophy is easy.

atheism is easier than rocket science. Atleast the scientific side of it
Quote:George Smith wrote his book 1974
Atheism the Case against God. Already 1979 Michael Martin complained
about his lack of logic so it is not as easy as Rocket Science.

But strident atheists has decided that it is easy because they say so.
I am not intelligent enough to get it.

But I feel rather confident that I get what Anthropology of Religion
and Social Psychology say about religious communities and their gods.

that is way easier than Rocket science and philosophy too.

But the strident atheists assured me that science is totally irrelevant.
to me science means the most trustful method to get knowledge.

If science tells me that humans create their religions and imagine their gods
then to me that is more likely than that philosophy knows anything about it.
but what exactly is the problem? I agree that
that humans create their religions and imagine their gods . I just dont care because it doesnt affect me where and how religion came. TBH,i don't go in the philosophy too much,only if its about morality.

I don't really like going outside.
It's too damn "peopley" out there....
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
09-08-2013, 07:59 AM
RE: I sincerely need your kind help. Struggled one year daily with Philosophy
Take this part
"Atheism only refers to whether or not you believe in god."

I believe like Anthropology of religion that religion and gods
are created by the community that practice that tradition.
So I do believe that communities have faith in the gods they create.
That is part of for how to join that community. To trust their God to exist.

so that is my belief. A kind of religious atheism.
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
09-08-2013, 07:59 AM
RE: I sincerely need your kind help. Struggled one year daily with Philosophy
(09-08-2013 07:54 AM)Freethinker2 Wrote:  If humans have come up with a bad definition that makes people feel bad
then it is very easy to change that definition to have a add on
that if you feel bad about being defined to be an atheist you
can leave it by saying no to this agreement. As easy as that.

So you are an anthromythotheist. That sounds a deal more complicated than regular old atheism, so I'd say you got your thing going. I can't disagree with you. Fuck everyone else.

But now I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth.

~ Umberto Eco
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
09-08-2013, 08:11 AM
RE: I sincerely need your kind help. Struggled one year daily with Philosophy
(09-08-2013 07:59 AM)Freethinker2 Wrote:  Take this part
"Atheism only refers to whether or not you believe in god."

I believe like Anthropology of religion that religion and gods
are created by the community that practice that tradition.
So I do believe that communities have faith in the gods they create.
That is part of for how to join that community. To trust their God to exist.

so that is my belief. A kind of religious atheism.

i agree with your statement exept "That is part of for how to join that community.". Wherein lies the problem?

I don't really like going outside.
It's too damn "peopley" out there....
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
09-08-2013, 08:30 AM (This post was last modified: 09-08-2013 08:36 AM by Freethinker2.)
RE: I sincerely need your kind help. Struggled one year daily with Philosophy
(09-08-2013 08:11 AM)Lightvader Wrote:  
(09-08-2013 07:59 AM)Freethinker2 Wrote:  Take this part
"Atheism only refers to whether or not you believe in god."

I believe like Anthropology of religion that religion and gods
are created by the community that practice that tradition.
So I do believe that communities have faith in the gods they create.
That is part of for how to join that community. To trust their God to exist.

so that is my belief. A kind of religious atheism.

i agree with your statement exept "That is part of for how to join that community.". Wherein lies the problem?

Maybe my confusing English made some misleading twist of words there.

I only tried to share my thought that the community often
but not always have a requirement that one do believe their tradition
and that their God exists.

Exceptions exists. Swedish Church allow you to be atheists
as long as you agree that they have faith in God.

so my my text misled you read some claim me was not aware of?
What does that text mean when you read it and I try to find better way
to say it?

I see no problem either. Where did I hint to that there is any problem? Smile


My problem was that these strident or logical atheist did not allow me
to be something else exclusively. To them I will forever be an atheist.

I want to be somebody I decide on by myself. Anthromythotheist
sounds cool to me.

To
EvenHeathen Wrote:Fuck everyone else.
Sadly that is not my personality.

If I am by their definition an atheist then that is those I should care about
that is my personality. They should release me from that relation.

they certainly don't like me at all they showed that very clearly
and I did not like them so why should I have a term that fit so badly.

I think they are mistaken I am a anthromythotheist not an atheist.

They get deceived by philosophy or deluded by their logical thought.
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
09-08-2013, 08:38 AM
RE: I sincerely need your kind help. Struggled one year daily with Philosophy
We're dwelling on labels and definitions here.

I can't remember who said it, maybe girly or HoC? Anyway, someone here recently said something that stuck in my mind as a truthical statement (yes I just made up the word thruthical) that applies to everything as far as I'm concerned.

"The answer is as varied as the individual." Yes

But now I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth.

~ Umberto Eco
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 1 user Likes evenheathen's post
09-08-2013, 08:51 AM
RE: I sincerely need your kind help. Struggled one year daily with Philosophy
I avoid the whole labeling thing by calling myself a freethinker.

Labels, shnabels, You are an independent thinker and you follow logic and you decided that gods are made up.

That's what matters. Don't let the label Nazis get you! Drinking Beverage

[Image: dobie.png]

Science is the process we've designed to be responsible for generating our best guess as to what the fuck is going on. Girly Man
Find all posts by this user
Like Post Quote this message in a reply
[+] 1 user Likes Dom's post
Post Reply
Forum Jump: