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10-08-2013, 12:06 AM
RE: I sincerely need your kind help. Struggled one year daily with Philosophy
Dude, you need to chill. Just be you. That's all you can ever be anyways. Think about it all you want, you're still just you.




You.


Think about it.



Just you, everyone else is everyone else.




Just be you. That's all you really need.

But now I have come to believe that the whole world is an enigma, a harmless enigma that is made terrible by our own mad attempt to interpret it as though it had an underlying truth.

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10-08-2013, 07:25 AM
RE: I sincerely need your kind help. Struggled one year daily with Philosophy
(10-08-2013 12:06 AM)evenheathen Wrote:  Dude, you need to chill. Just be you. That's all you can ever be anyways. Think about it all you want, you're still just you.




You.


Think about it.



Just you, everyone else is everyone else.




Just be you. That's all you really need.

Thanks the guys at Dudeism most likely love what you wrote there.
They also have that relaxed attitude. Chill out go with the flow. Be you!

It is a good advice thanks.
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10-08-2013, 09:00 AM
RE: I sincerely need your kind help. Struggled one year daily with Philosophy
(09-08-2013 06:33 PM)Hafnof Wrote:  I'm much more interested in scepticism than atheism. That is, the kind of scepticism that believes things based on evidence and demands extraordinary evidence for extraordinary claims. The James Randi style of scepticism. Disbelief in in a god - atheism - is generally the outcome of applying a sceptical approach to life. Unsceptical atheism is not very interesting or important to me.

That makes you a Freethinker. Freethinkers are skeptical of everything, question everything and believe nothing without proof. That just happens to include gods, but freethinkers are more than just atheists. Skepticism is applied to everything.

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11-08-2013, 12:41 AM
RE: I sincerely need your kind help. Struggled one year daily with Philosophy
We are humans, well, the majority of us, I think there are a few orangutans with laptops on the forum. As humans we want to label and categorize everything. When we realize there is a grey area or ambiguity we don't like it, so we make more labels. You are what you are regardless of the applicable label. Simple as that.

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11-08-2013, 05:22 AM
RE: I sincerely need your kind help. Struggled one year daily with Philosophy
Guys much appreciated that you care. We seems so different
that all suggestions kind of work for those that give them
but I am a different person with needs that are typical for me Smile

So I maybe need to find someone that felt like me and
to read their stories how they solved same situation.

Not sure how to explain. suppose that I say that I have problem with Sport
and somebody suggest that I start playing something they had no problem with.

Very good advice for sure but I have problem with Sport as such. All kind of Sport.

Or if I say that I fail with playing music instrument and singing
and they tell me to start Dancing to the music instead of trying to play it.

Yes but the problem I have is that I fail to dance too. it is that bad.
My body hear the rhythm and the melody and see the moves people make
and I love it and then when I try to move then my brain fail to make those move.

it is not there in the brain. It fail to do such things. another bad example
I love to try out different English accents and regional dialects and sayings.

It is very fun until I realize that what I try is a hopeless failure to even come near.
Like a Stand Up Comedian and none laugh and they start to boo him to get off the scene.

That bad!

So I try to understand the weak atheist definition. The logical atheists
tells me it is super simple. clear as sky you can not fail to grasp it.

You either believe in God or you lack such belief.

Yeah tell me about it. I heard that definition around 1996
and now 2013 I still not grasp it .It is something very wrong with it .

It kind of float in mid air having no connection to reality. it is make believe to me.

There is no evidence for it to be true. they made it up.
they agreed upon it without any research or checking up if
there is evidence for it to have reference in reality .

I lack ability to sing in tune with a melody and
I lack ability to dance in step with the rhythm

But I don't lack belief in God. I am 100% sure of
that humans made their gods within the community
that practice each particular tradition. That is my sure believe

and I have evidence for it. Science support my view.
If one read Anthropology of religion then they say so too.

"that every religion is a cultural product created by the human community that practices it"
That is from Guthrie an Anthropologist year 2000
but already 1841 Ludwig Feuerbach the father of Anthropology wrote
that every religion is created by the human community that worships it.

Guthrie added a clarification and changed one word. So these soft scientists
have consensus on their take on it. This is what religion is about.

Each community that have a religion has created it with the God they wanted to have
and that God was given the features we read about from that community.

So if they make the claim that their God exist that is part of the design how they created it.

Philosophy miss the most important aspect of religious traditions. That humans made them

Philosophy is in a delusion that one can talk about gods as if they really exist
or as if one can ask people if gods really exist? They designed their God to exist
what on earth should they answer? Nope we lied? We cheated. We deceived you Haha?

Philosophy seems to be some very odd thing. I don't grasp it.
It seems to not be about my reality. it is very odd thing to me .
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11-08-2013, 05:48 AM
RE: I sincerely need your kind help. Struggled one year daily with Philosophy




Do you know why it is so important to you Freethinker2 that you feel understood with your belief system? Could it be some sort of validation that you seek?

For no matter how much I use these symbols, to describe symptoms of my existence.
You are your own emphasis.
So I say nothing.

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11-08-2013, 07:32 AM
RE: I sincerely need your kind help. Struggled one year daily with Philosophy
(11-08-2013 05:22 AM)Freethinker2 Wrote:  Guys much appreciated that you care. We seems so different
that all suggestions kind of work for those that give them
but I am a different person with needs that are typical for me Smile

So I maybe need to find someone that felt like me and
to read their stories how they solved same situation.

Not sure how to explain. suppose that I say that I have problem with Sport
and somebody suggest that I start playing something they had no problem with.

Very good advice for sure but I have problem with Sport as such. All kind of Sport.

Or if I say that I fail with playing music instrument and singing
and they tell me to start Dancing to the music instead of trying to play it.

Yes but the problem I have is that I fail to dance too. it is that bad.
My body hear the rhythm and the melody and see the moves people make
and I love it and then when I try to move then my brain fail to make those move.

it is not there in the brain. It fail to do such things. another bad example
I love to try out different English accents and regional dialects and sayings.

It is very fun until I realize that what I try is a hopeless failure to even come near.
Like a Stand Up Comedian and none laugh and they start to boo him to get off the scene.

That bad!

So I try to understand the weak atheist definition. The logical atheists
tells me it is super simple. clear as sky you can not fail to grasp it.

You either believe in God or you lack such belief.

Yeah tell me about it. I heard that definition around 1996
and now 2013 I still not grasp it .It is something very wrong with it .

It kind of float in mid air having no connection to reality. it is make believe to me.

There is no evidence for it to be true. they made it up.
they agreed upon it without any research or checking up if
there is evidence for it to have reference in reality .

I lack ability to sing in tune with a melody and
I lack ability to dance in step with the rhythm

But I don't lack belief in God. I am 100% sure of
that humans made their gods within the community
that practice each particular tradition. That is my sure believe

and I have evidence for it. Science support my view.
If one read Anthropology of religion then they say so too.

"that every religion is a cultural product created by the human community that practices it"
That is from Guthrie an Anthropologist year 2000
but already 1841 Ludwig Feuerbach the father of Anthropology wrote
that every religion is created by the human community that worships it.

Guthrie added a clarification and changed one word. So these soft scientists
have consensus on their take on it. This is what religion is about.

Each community that have a religion has created it with the God they wanted to have
and that God was given the features we read about from that community.

So if they make the claim that their God exist that is part of the design how they created it.

Philosophy miss the most important aspect of religious traditions. That humans made them

Philosophy is in a delusion that one can talk about gods as if they really exist
or as if one can ask people if gods really exist? They designed their God to exist
what on earth should they answer? Nope we lied? We cheated. We deceived you Haha?

Philosophy seems to be some very odd thing. I don't grasp it.
It seems to not be about my reality. it is very odd thing to me .

You are confusing the existence of the belief in gods with the belief in the existence of gods.

It is really very simple.

Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method.
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11-08-2013, 07:57 AM (This post was last modified: 11-08-2013 08:01 AM by Freethinker2.)
RE: I sincerely need your kind help. Struggled one year daily with Philosophy
Too fast talking and me not being able to get enough words for to be sure
I know what she really talk about.

Validate as the synonym

Synonyms
1. authenticate

But not really that one either but close to it.
To establish the authenticity of; prove genuine:

to give official sanction, confirmation, or approval to...

but maybe if one look at the root? confirm as the most general term?

Quote:
confirm
These verbs mean to affirm the truth, accuracy, or genuineness of something.
Confirm implies removal of all doubt

So yes you are on to something there I agree.

If atheists fail to confirm that I am one of them and
fail to show they care then why should I be forced to be
one of them against my conscious will. it is a kind of abuse from them.

their disapproval of me is obvious I am not living up to their demand
that one are logical enough to get the atheist weak definition.

I have no problem with the old definition that existed when I grew up.
I instantly got in trouble with the new modern weak definition
that an atheist lack belief in gods.

I don't lack belief in gods at all. I 100% do believe that gods are made
by the religions that make bold claims about how great their God is.

So I am a strong believer in that religious traditions make up gods.

To ask if these gods really exist is like asking if the role an actor play
really exist. We all know they play that role. They are not 007 or Dart Vader.

Yes I want to be confirmed that my faith and believe in
human constructed religions and gods are a valid stand.

That is not what atheists tells me. They tell me that it is totally irrelevant
and even ridiculous to refer to that the gods are man made.

so they do the opposite of confirming me they tell me I am an idiot.

so why would I want to be an atheist? They hate that I am an atheist
they find it embarrassing that such an idiot like me also are an atheist.

but they are bound by the definition they told me. I am an atheist
despite that I don't want to be one and them don't want me to be one of them.

So release me from atheism I am not an atheist. I believe gods are man made.

Thanks for giving good suggestions. What did she say that you hoped would reach me?
what word and at what time? I barely get what she say.
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11-08-2013, 08:00 AM
RE: I sincerely need your kind help. Struggled one year daily with Philosophy
(11-08-2013 07:32 AM)Chas Wrote:  
(11-08-2013 05:22 AM)Freethinker2 Wrote:  ...

Philosophy is in a delusion that one can talk about gods as if they really exist
or as if one can ask people if gods really exist? They designed their God to exist
what on earth should they answer? Nope we lied? We cheated. We deceived you Haha?

Philosophy seems to be some very odd thing. I don't grasp it.
It seems to not be about my reality. it is very odd thing to me .

You are confusing the existence of the belief in gods with the belief in the existence of gods.

It is really very simple.

Or, to put it another way...
Gods do not exist.
The concept of gods does exist.

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11-08-2013, 08:00 AM
RE: I sincerely need your kind help. Struggled one year daily with Philosophy
(11-08-2013 07:57 AM)Freethinker2 Wrote:  Too fast talking and me not being able to get enough words for to be sure
I know what she really talk about.

Validate as the synonym

Synonyms
1. authenticate

But not really that one either but close to it.
To establish the authenticity of; prove genuine:

to give official sanction, confirmation, or approval to...

but maybe if one look at the root? confirm as the most general term?

Quote:
confirm
These verbs mean to affirm the truth, accuracy, or genuineness of something.
Confirm implies removal of all doubt

So yes you are on to something there I agree.

If atheists fail to confirm that I am one of them and
fail to show they care then one should I be one of them.

their disapproval of me is obvious I am not living up to their demand
that one are logical enough to get the atheist weak definition.

I have no problem with the old definition that existed when I grew up.
I instantly got in trouble with the new modern weak definition
that an atheist lack belief in gods.

I don't lack belief in gods at all. I 100% do believe that gods are made
by the religions that make bold claims about how great their God is.

So I am a strong believer in that religious traditions make up gods.

To ask if these gods really exist is like asking if the role an actor play
really exist. We all know they play that role. They are not 007 or Dart Vader.

Yes I want to be confirmed that my faith and believe in
human constructed religions and gods are a valid stand.

That is not what atheists tells me. They tell me that it is totally irrelevant
and even ridiculous to refer to that the gods are man made.

so they do the opposite of confirming me they tell me I am an idiot.

so why would I want to be an atheist? They hate that I am an atheist
they find it embarrassing that such an idiot like be also are atheist.

So release me from atheism I am not an atheist. I believe gods are man made.

Thanks for giving good suggestions. What did she say that you hoped would reach me?
what word and at what time? I barely get what she say.

I really don't understand your angst.

No one here is disagreeing that people make up gods.

The existence of belief in gods is real, but that does not say anything about the existence of gods.

Can you summarize what is making you so upset?

Skepticism is not a position; it is an approach to claims.
Science is not a subject, but a method.
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