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11-03-2017, 10:32 AM
RE: I still can't get used to Trump being president
(10-03-2017 07:33 PM)dancefortwo Wrote:  ...
and I don't know how I'm going to make it through the next few years.
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You mean it hasn't been 4 years yet? Gasp It sure seems like 4 years. Weeping

Yes, I've been having a similar experience. I don't watch him on TV news because I can't stand to listen to him. I get my news from reading on the internet. I'm in partial denial because deep down I feel like I'm just waiting for him to self-implode so we can all move on. I have this constant feeling of impending doom as he is one-by-one attacking/removing/destroying things that I find fundamental to what this country is supposed to stand for. In his own limited words, he's a disaster - except in his case, he literally is. For the first time ever, it seems like we have a President who is not about freedom and democracy at all.

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11-03-2017, 08:36 PM
RE: I still can't get used to Trump being president
(10-03-2017 07:33 PM)dancefortwo Wrote:  Anyone else struggling with this?
Not to the degree you and many countless others are, but it is certainly disturbing and has exceeded most people's worst-case scenarios.

I recognized during the primary campaign that the aggressive redistribution of wealth to the top 1 percent away from everyone else and the whole climate situation had both reached fever pitch and were not things we had more time to dither over. Only assertive and principled action would make a difference, and it may be too late even for that. I felt that Bernie Sanders was an absolute windfall gift to us ... and I don't think it's an exaggeration to say that when he lost the nomination we were down to a choice between a soulless grifter and a man-child, and I voted for the grifter to at least not speed up the inevitable economic and ecological disasters that I am certain are coming.

I came very close to pulling my retirement funds out of the stock market and was talked out of it by my wife and investment advisor. It may turn out that I would have over-reacted. I am still dubious about it.

The worst thing about it for me is that a sort of resigned cynicism has settled over me. Thanks to our involvement in the primary campaign I have gotten on a number of progressive mailing lists and now every day I get a dozen gloom and doom emails wanting donations or participation in some protest or other and it's just too much for me to contemplate. At my age I have nothing left after full time work obligations to devote to Saving the World. It is in the hands of others and look what others have done so far ... elected this utterly and obviously corrupt and nasty person and now are allowing him to "deconstruct the administrative state" as well as civil society, pretty much with impunity.

We are in uncharted territory. I seriously have thoughts from time to time that I shouldn't even post like this, lest someone from the Thought Police eventually knock on my door. Our democratic institutions are robust, but not invincible, and rely on men and women of good will at the levers of power. I feel that assumption no longer holds true, and our institutions are under full-on assault.

Unlike some, I don't see the current situation as not much of a change. This is uniquely extreme. I suppose that a newly-aroused electorate could rise to the occasion, throw the assholes out, and turn everything around in ways that couldn't have been possible pre-Trump ... but I'm not counting on it nor do I think it likely.
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12-03-2017, 05:35 AM
RE: I still can't get used to Trump being president
You guys will have a hard time. But I think you will come through it in the end. And if your country does become poorer and a bit more fucked as a result... some countries have been that way for years Wink Although lots of bad things will happen good people will still be there in abundance, and lots of good things will happen too. Also Smile Marches and protests and judges telling Der Fuhrer to go fuck himself will go a long way to mitigating Trump's more egregious bullshit. The only thing that truly does worry me is that he could quite credibly provoke an unnecessary war.

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(06-02-2014 03:47 PM)Momsurroundedbyboys Wrote:  And I'm giving myself a conclusion again from all the facepalming.
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12-03-2017, 06:00 AM
RE: I still can't get used to Trump being president
It could be that the voter base for the Republicans has to be destroyed first by finding out what the Republicans really want before America is ready for someone like Sanders. The face that many Americans see socialism the same as communism speaks volumes about how little they know about it. They need to decide for themselves that there has to be a better way.
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12-03-2017, 06:09 AM
RE: I still can't get used to Trump being president
I am trying to be optimistic. I don't ever see myself coming around to being someone who is happy with Trump as president...he has always seemed creepy to me, long before he showed an interest in politics.

What I am hoping is that this debacle opens many eyes and spurs people toward action. I want to see more people get out and vote. I really think this election happened because people thought their votes didn't count so why bother.

Surely a country this large can find better candidates to run for POTUS. Perhaps what America needed was a slap up the side of the head to get people to pay attention to what's going on instead of sitting on their butts thinking someone else is going to handle it.

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12-03-2017, 06:48 AM
RE: I still can't get used to Trump being president
Oh come on.. Seriously????

First off - I didn't vote for Clarabelle, so don't think I'm in favor of the assclown...

But really - is your life one iota different with him in office?

I'm not talking about political idealism - I'm talking about real, definable things that affect you everyday existence.

I'm betting " not much".

I've lived through a whole series of presidential assclowns and I'm betting I'll make it through one more, just fine.

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12-03-2017, 07:01 AM (This post was last modified: 12-03-2017 07:12 AM by Thoreauvian.)
RE: I still can't get used to Trump being president
(12-03-2017 06:48 AM)onlinebiker Wrote:  But really - is your life one iota different with him in office?

I am 61 and retired early because my company closed our division. I could lose the ACA health insurance I needed until I reach Medicare age.

I am sickened almost daily by Trump's pathological lies.

Further, my primary concern for the future is climate change, and Trump is just about the worst thing which could possibly happen for our collective future in that regards.

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12-03-2017, 07:15 AM
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(12-03-2017 07:01 AM)Jay Vogelsong Wrote:  I am 61 and retired, and I could lose the ACA health insurance I needed until I reach Medicare age.

I am sickened almost daily by Trump's pathological lies.

Further, my primary concern for the future is climate change, and Trump is just about the worst thing which could possibly happen for our collective future in that regards.

Angry

Add in the environmental damage when they gut the EPA and the last gasp of public education as DeVos undermines that...

I'm waiting now for the first big hurricane or tornado or earthquake to see just how badly they coordinate the response. I expect it'll make Katrina look like a well-oiled machine.

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12-03-2017, 07:26 AM
RE: I still can't get used to Trump being president
(12-03-2017 07:01 AM)Jay Vogelsong Wrote:  
(12-03-2017 06:48 AM)onlinebiker Wrote:  But really - is your life one iota different with him in office?

I am 61 and retired early because my company closed our division. I could lose the ACA health insurance I needed until I reach Medicare age.

I am sickened almost daily by Trump's pathological lies.

Further, my primary concern for the future is climate change, and Trump is just about the worst thing which could possibly happen for our collective future in that regards.

Angry

Those are things that COULD become changes - but they're not right now AND there's no saying a different president might not bring the exact same changes as Clarabelle..

Especially with a majority ( R ) house and Senate.

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12-03-2017, 07:47 AM
RE: I still can't get used to Trump being president
(12-03-2017 06:48 AM)onlinebiker Wrote:  Oh come on.. Seriously????

First off - I didn't vote for Clarabelle, so don't think I'm in favor of the assclown...

But really - is your life one iota different with him in office?

I'm not talking about political idealism - I'm talking about real, definable things that affect you everyday existence.

I'm betting " not much".

I've lived through a whole series of presidential assclowns and I'm betting I'll make it through one more, just fine.
As a fully employed upper middle class old white male non-immigrant, no, it hasn't effected me personally just yet. Nor do I have as much to fear from it as most. But I know too many who are way more vulnerable than me for not ticking one of those boxes. My late son was one of them, my stepson and older grandsons are also in that lot. And even I could plausibly end up in constrained circumstances over the course of even a four-year Trump administration because I'm on the cusp of retirement and that is dependent on Social Security and Medicare and on my health holding up in an environment that's increasingly hostile to the maintenance of good health.

I don't believe Trump is simply One More "presidential assclown". His assault on civil society and democratic institutions are unprecedented. His open ideology of avarice is unprecedented, which cuts both ways in unpredictable fashion. It exposes right-wing ideologue's true motives to broader scrutiny, but it's an open question whether people's reaction time is enough for them to either derail that particular train or even to jump out of its way. Events are moving swiftly.
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